"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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New Year's Eve guide?

The Comeback Kid

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I recently learned that the whole "kiss at midnight during New Year's Eve" is supposedly a big deal. Logically, I'm going to give this a shot this year (if the situation allows for a FR, I will provide one, I'm likely going to be at a party). I'll lead off with some general questions that could help out a bunch of people (myself included here):

1.) Just how big a deal is it really? Important? Not much at all?
2.) Is there any difference in the way a girls acts than she normally would - perhaps more anxious?
3.) Any good "gaming tips" for the New Year's Eve situation? How does the scenario usually play out?
4.) And of course...what is the "cut-off time" for you to pair up, i.e. once you pass this time, you're out of luck or will need to become desperate?
5.) Any other main questions I'm missing here?

These questions are, of course, focused more on the single guys here, but anyone is free to chime in, it'll help everyone.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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the way i picture this new year's eve going down:

1. hit a party with some friends
2. meet a cutie at the party
3. cutie will no doubt be interested
4. she hangs around, i game her, all evening.
5. midnight, kiss her.
6 12:01, she pulls me into a back room and fvcks me.

positive mindset. lol.

your questions:
1. i think it's probably a fairly big deal. you know how girls are. they put huge amounts of importance on random things like this. just take advantage of it. you know she's looking to get that kiss, you know she's gonna have you ahead of ANY of her other prospects if you give it to her.
lets be logical. girls do love sexual things and would hook up every night if they didnt risk looking like slvts. there is ZERO social stigma to her kissing a guy at midnight, it's in all the magazines :rolleyes: haha so just take this opportunity for what it is: a cheat code on the evening.

2. eh. depends on the girl. a lot of people that don't normally go out go out on new years. it's kinda like halloween without the slutty costumes. if you happen onto a girl that doesnt typically go out, she'll probably be nervous.

3. same as always, situation plays out how you make it. one caveat: she IS gonna have that midnight kiss on her mind... you're going into an advantageous situation with that. :up:

4. i think it depends on your level of game. some guys could probably go in at 11 58 and end up kissing her right at midnight, and effin her that night.

i think if i meet her by 11 i should be straight. an hour is plenty of time to get her ready to hook up. ;)
 

The Comeback Kid

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Thanks JJ, good stuff. Anyone else have any thoughts?

Being "in" an hour before seems about right. How about if interaction with the girl begins at 10pm (two hours)? I've heard how the initial kiss is made well BEFORE the ball drops, and then they'll just do another kiss at midnight.

Then again, I'd rather be too early than panicking at 11:58 when everyone else is paired up and I'm outta luck.
 

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New Years Eve guide? Go get drunk at a party, and you'll either meet a girl or not.
 

(JJ)

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Julius_Seizeher said:
New Years Eve guide? Go get drunk at a party, and you'll either meet a girl or not.
sosuave.net? go get drunk in life, and you'll either meet a girl or not.

i have to disagree with that mindset. i dont get drunk anyway. hideously unhealthy+racking up dwi's+inability to control your actions or keep your game sharp=not for me.


unrelatedly, tck, it really depends on the venue. if you're in a fairly tight nit party, then there's gonna be girls there that notice you're running the entire place and you're the life of the whole thing. you could feasibly walk up to them at about 11 45 and chat em up and then kiss em at midnight if you're game has been on the whole night.

however, if you're at a club, or a bigger crazy party, you probably need a little bit longer to get her into you. just like with everything, calibration is huge.

a kiss before midnight sounds pretty anticlimactic to me. like she's all ready and worked up to get a kiss from you at midnight and you spoil it and spring it on her at 10 45... doesnt sound like it'd help your cause.

if you meet the girl you think you wanna bang at 10, then you meet her at 10. it doesnt mean it cant happen with her. just game her a bit, dance, talk, then move to ANOTHER girl. you can always come back. even in this microcosm of game, you STILL dont wanna be too available.

im gettin excited though. some buddies and i are gonna get a beach house. should be entertaining ;) haha
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Derek Flint

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Don't wait until midnight to kiss the girl you want to hook up with.
 

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I've never placed that much importance on a kiss, anymore than any other night, but girls I think do. Use that to your advantage. I've got a modest streak going-3 yrs--of hooking up on NYE. I go to house parties where if I didn't know the host, a friend or a friend of a friend did. Girls are already more laid-back on NYE and not being random helps your cause even more. Then I'd say just be impeccably dressed, fun to be around and direct.
 

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The Comeback Kid said:
Thanks JJ, good stuff. Anyone else have any thoughts?

Being "in" an hour before seems about right. How about if interaction with the girl begins at 10pm (two hours)? I've heard how the initial kiss is made well BEFORE the ball drops, and then they'll just do another kiss at midnight.

Then again, I'd rather be too early than panicking at 11:58 when everyone else is paired up and I'm outta luck.
I'd say don't wait. Kiss close as soon as possible regardless of the time. I've closed in the hour before and even in the hour after. There's a lot of pressure on girls to "find someone" and your waiting for that magical moment won't help your cause. Her knowing that she has someone and won't be alone is comforting. Then when the clock strikes, kiss her passionately, isolate her and start the new year off right.
 
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