"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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New trend?? "Guy Friends"

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There wasn't much in the bible or from what I found using the ever-so- neglected search button. Two part question for you gents.... Is it just me or does it seem like girls are starting to bring more guys with them to bars/clubs than ever before?? I know girls always bring guys to buy them drinks/ security guards, etc... But now it's like every girl has 3 goddam guys with them. Am I just starting to notice? Or have these girls just been getting more "friends" these days? Why do they bring guys to bars, if they are essentially there to get hit on? Also, what the hell do you guys do about these guys in the bars? I find it hard to tell which dudes are actually f-in these girls and which ones are just hanging out hoping to get in their pants?? I'm not sure how to identify the difference, and i'm not about to get into a fight over some random girl.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Lots of girls like to keep guys around who are obviously attracted to them and would like ot date them (that is, the guys would like to date the girl) but never will, because it's a sure-fire ego-restorer no matter what happens with her and they guys she actually is attracted to.

true story: i met a girl not long ago for coffee. She brings her big fat slob of a guy friend with her. later, she and I go back to my apartment and commence getting it on. All night the guy is texting her demanding to know if we're fvcking, sobbing (via text) about how much he loves her etc. It's pathetic.
 

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Leporello said:
Lots of girls like to keep guys around who are obviously attracted to them and would like ot date them (that is, the guys would like to date the girl) but never will, because it's a sure-fire ego-restorer no matter what happens with her and they guys she actually is attracted to.

true story: i met a girl not long ago for coffee. She brings her big fat slob of a guy friend with her. later, she and I go back to my apartment and commence getting it on. All night the guy is texting her demanding to know if we're fvcking, sobbing (via text) about how much he loves her etc. It's pathetic.
So were you fvcking my friend or not? :( :( :(
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Girls have always had Guy "friends".

it's part of life. The girl might like them as a person, but not want to date them.

that is...if the guy is interested. I've got girl friends that are just friends whom i have no interest in fvcking what so ever

The only way to find out is to ask. Not every guy is trying to get a piece, he might be out just having fun
 

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It's pretty easy to tell who's f-in and who's just being f-ed. You can spot the chump from a mile away.

He's always more interested in her than she is in him. She keeps these dudes around for security and attention.

The one she chases all the time is the one who's f-ing her or soon to be f-ing her.
 

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Women have Boyfriends and Girlfriends. If you're not ƒucking her, you're her Girlfriend.
 

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They are orbiters. Most likely they want to get a piece of her. I'd suggest avoiding girls who have a lot of guys who fallow them around. More trouble then it's worth.
 

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Drewskie said:
There wasn't much in the bible or from what I found using the ever-so- neglected search button. Two part question for you gents.... Is it just me or does it seem like girls are starting to bring more guys with them to bars/clubs than ever before?? I know girls always bring guys to buy them drinks/ security guards, etc... But now it's like every girl has 3 goddam guys with them. Am I just starting to notice? Or have these girls just been getting more "friends" these days? Why do they bring guys to bars, if they are essentially there to get hit on? Also, what the hell do you guys do about these guys in the bars? I find it hard to tell which dudes are actually f-in these girls and which ones are just hanging out hoping to get in their pants?? I'm not sure how to identify the difference, and i'm not about to get into a fight over some random girl.
I've posted so many times about this; women always having guys with them in bars and clubs. 97% of the time, this is how it is, especially in Manhattan. It's annoying as hell. It's one of the reasons I tend to go through long periods of dry spells. Last thing I want is a fight or argument to break out over some stupid, meaningless, chick. A lot of these guys are either their boyfriends, f*ck buddies, or just plain friends. It's also confusing sometimes, because a lot of these women who are just plain friends with these guys, often times appear as if they're having sex with the guy. For example, what I always notice is, they'll dance with the "just friends" guy and grind their asses on his crotch. Now, seeing this, you would think, "this chick likes this guy, he has to be getting some". But the truth is, the guy wants to bust a nut on her just as much as you and me, but she's not letting him. One thing I've realized about women is that, they'll still dance sexually with guys(like grind their asses on a guys crotch) they have absolutely no interest in having sex with. Total c*ck-teases.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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edger said:
I've posted so many times about this; women always having guys with them in bars and clubs. It's annoying as hell. It's one of the reasons I tend to go through long periods of dry spells.
No, the real reason is you making up one excuse after another for your failures.

Be polite to the guy friends and approach the girls with class. If they appear hostile from the start, withdraw. If they have decent manners, hang around & have a chat. Talk to the guys first. It's pretty easy to spot the orbiters who aren't getting any. It's harder to tell between the friends & the guys who are fvcking her, but as long as she's "single", it's all fair game.

If you guys can't handle a little competition without getting into a fist fight, then get out of the field.
 

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Jitterbug said:
No, the real reason is you making up one excuse after another for your failures.
So you're telling me you wouldn't feel the least bit weird approaching a woman who's with one or more guys? That's odd. 99% of the guys I know, say they'd feel weird. Unless it doesn't appear they're sexually intimate, then maybe it's different, I wouldn't feel AS weird, but I'd still feel weird. If the guy friend walked away for a minute, then I'd approach, but I wouldn't do it with the guy standing right there.
 

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Jitterbug said:
If you guys can't handle a little competition without getting into a fist fight, then get out of the field.
Yeah a fist fight that can get you arrested too, and leave you with a police record that can make you loose your job and prevent you from getting future jobs. Think smart.
 

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edger said:
So you're telling me you wouldn't feel the least bit weird approaching a woman who's with one or more guys? That's odd. 99% of the guys I know, say they'd feel weird. Unless it doesn't appear they're sexually intimate, then maybe it's different, I wouldn't feel AS weird, but I'd still feel weird. If the guy friend walked away for a minute, then I'd approach, but I wouldn't do it with the guy standing right there.
Why would I feel weird? I'm not doing anything wrong. If you handle it with class, there's nothing to be afraid of or feel weird about.

I have approached women who are there with their boyfriend, fiance, husband and two Hulk brothers guarding her (didn't know about their relationship prior to the approach) and got out of there with new friends and sometimes numbers.

I'll tell you why 99% of those guys feel weird. They're ashamed of showing their sexuality or even just interest in someone. They're ashamed of what they're doing. Deep down they believe that what they're doing is wrong. Their inner game is fvcked. Hence the anxiety and the feeling weird.
 

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Jitterbug said:
I'll tell you why 99% of those guys feel weird. They're ashamed of showing their sexuality or even just interest in someone. They're ashamed of what they're doing. Deep down they believe that what they're doing is wrong. Their inner game is fvcked. Hence the anxiety and the feeling weird.
Maybe for some guys it's like that, but I can tell you, for me, it's not. I'm not at all ashamed of my sexuality. In the past, yeah, I was(due to matrix/feminist conditioning), but not any longer. I probably couldn't tell you exactly why I feel weird...maybe because I'm a private person. I like to interact privately with women. I don't even like being out on dates with women in front of other guys, but I realize I have no choice and just deal with it. I mean, it's not a huge pet peeve of mine, I'd just prefer to interact privately with a woman. It's like taking a crap. Do you feel comfortable having someone watch you?
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Holy sh!t, man! Interacting with women isn't like taking a dump! That's what you really think???

ROFL!
 

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Jitterbug said:
No, the real reason is you making up one excuse after another for your failures.

Be polite to the guy friends and approach the girls with class. If they appear hostile from the start, withdraw. If they have decent manners, hang around & have a chat. Talk to the guys first. It's pretty easy to spot the orbiters who aren't getting any. It's harder to tell between the friends & the guys who are fvcking her, but as long as she's "single", it's all fair game.

If you guys can't handle a little competition without getting into a fist fight, then get out of the field.
Thanks, you too edgar, both you guys know what I mean. I know all these girls have friends, or like rollo says, girlfriends.....but I don't know how to get past the dudes and talk to their friends since they usually c-block like hell. And, when i have tried to befriend the guys they almost always know I have ulterior motives and are usually d!cks anyway.
 

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Amog Amog Amog
I know, it sucks being small though, all these dudes are bigger than me and would probably want to fight if I tried to yank their supposed piece of azz.
 

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Jitterbug said:
Holy sh!t, man! Interacting with women isn't like taking a dump! That's what you really think???

ROFL!
Listen up again..it's not interacting with women itself that's like taking a dump, it's interacting with them on dates in front of other guys, as well as approaching them in front of their male friends, that's sort of like taking a dump. I like privacy. That's me.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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