"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Hey guys. I just stumbled across this forum and have been reading all evening, I find it very informative.

I usually do ok with girls, but would like maximize my potential so to speak. I'm 22 but when I was younger I used be what I've seen described here as the "beta" type of guy. Being overly polite, putting girls on a pedestal, etc. That usually meant I didn't do very well and was just considered a "nice guy"

It's only in the last year or so I've got fed up with that **** and started to act the complete opposite. Usually taking the piss out of girls, borderline insulting them them , being a kind of **** towards them and taking no **** off them. What has shocked me is this actually works, I'm actually doing so much better now.

But I feel I have a lot to learn. I wondered if any of you have any advice in general as to how to avoid being the beta type of male? Could anyone post some links to some helpful material that may benefit me?
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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****ing a lot of chicks and being good with women will not cause you to be happy. Being happy and maintaining self-worth will cause you to be happy while ****ing a lot of chicks and being good with women.

Basically, read this thread http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=194844

Roissy, Rollo, ect. are GREAT resources, but avoid the trap that you need to be perfect. Terms like alpha and beta are taken far too literal in my opinion. This information is read by tons of guys everywhere who fail to actually internalize it and put it into good use. Basically, having knowledge of game doesn't make you any more alpha, but it makes you less beta. Also, natural game >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learned game.

I'd also like to throw this gem out there courtesy of zekko,

There's an undercurrent here and in the pickup community that to get a woman, you have to be practically the perfect man (a top ten percenter), have super tight game, and that any little mistake can get you rejected. If that's not putting women on a pedestal, I don't know what is.

Meanwhile, out in the real world, supposed AFCs get women all the time. Maybe they're not banging three different girls a week, but they're happy (many of them, anyway). Until they lose their girl, then wash, rinse, repeat.
 
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