"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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New to the forum, give me some advice

Uber-mensch

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Hey guys, I stumbled across this forum a few weeks and I've been reading it on and off since. I'm 18 and just got out of high school last year. I had a long term girlfriend through most of high school and I've gotten with a couple other chicks since but at this point in my life I feel I would like to um, diversify.

I'd like to get some weigh in on a particular situation. I met this girl at a show, and we hit it off. She agreed to come back and party at my place afterwards but nothing happened. I feel like maybe I should have been more aggressive, especially since the next day one of her friends told me she was "probably DTF". After she left, I was promptly added on facebook and she initiated conversation with me talking about how she wants to hang out again blah blah. Nothing concrete happened. Then, a week or so later she texts me asking if she can come over. I said I was busy because I had my ex girlfriend over and it would have been awkward. We talked a couple times on facebook or through text but I haven't seen her since. Then, yesterday I wake up to a facebook message from her sent at 3am "im drunk be my boyfriend". I teased her about it and we made plans to meet up but at the last minute she said she had to catch the ferry back home (she lives across the water from where I live, Seattle).

So, is it worth my time to try to hang out with her one more time? My band is playing a show on friday and I was thinking of asking her tome come. I'm pretty confident I could make something happen but I don't want to be AFC and waste my time chasing an AW. Opinions?
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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You really gotta start being more sexual and flirtatious, you gotta set that "sexual tone" to your conversations. She was basically willing to **** you the first two times around, now I'm not so sure. I believe in following the rope to the knot though, so I'd recommend going out with her onel ast time and if it doesn't work out moving on.
 

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Hey man, welcome to the forums. Stick around, there's so much to learn.

Make sure you read the DJ Bible and the Book of Pook before doing anything else.
And as for this chick, I'd be more inclined to invite her over to your place again. Then you really have to go for the lay.
Don't be discouraged, she's obviously in to you, you just have to synchronise schedules and then you'll be balls deep in moist poon.
 

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I invited her to hang out. Waiting to hear back.

UPDATE: she is coming over friday


me :wanna come to my show on friday?

her: yeah duh.

me: awwwww yeah I hope you actually come hahaha.

her: dude i will just tell me when and where and let me crash with yaalso get me wasted cuz that would be greathahaha

me: it's at my house friday night and yes to both things haha.

her: siiiiick dude im stoked
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Uber-mensch

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Danger said:
She's begging for you to make a move. So many signals of interest in those texts.

BUT, she wants you to lead and stop being timid.
See, I realize this is my weakness, I don't really think I have a problem attracting girls just closing. I would like to lead and sexualize the vibes I am sending her but I don't want to be too direct and spook her.
 
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