Mr. Simpson
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Hi, new guy here. I need some help with this...
Recently I've spent ten days in Belgrade, Serbia. Being a large city (almost two million people), and, more importantly, not being my home city (so nobody knew me), Belgrade was ideal for an inexperienced guy like me to finally start doing some sarging. So I did. The idea was to expand my comfort zone.
I did a couple of approaches that were completely ridiculous, but I thought - so much the better. The more embarrassing the line - the further my comfort zone will expand. I approached girls in a city park and said: "I got lost in this forest, could you show me the way back to Belgrade?" and stuff like that. I tried the "oh my God, is that you? How long has it been since we've seen each other" approach (the girl I approached with this completely ignored me, she just stopped for a moment and then left without saying a word - it was funny). I did a few situational openers. I eyecoded a girl in a city bus to offer her to sit by me when a group of policemen discussed which one of them will sit, and got the whole group to compliment my gentlemanly behavior and recognize my alpha status (can't really describe it well, but the vibe was there).
Now, you may ask - did I accomplish anything? Did I close any of those girls? Before I answer you this, let me tell you what happened later, in the last three evenings. Through social circle (important: not cold approach!) I met a girl, a solid HB 8. Since my inner game is still weak, I didn't expect that she could be attracted to me (thought she was out of my league), but I ran the game anyway. By the third evening (our friends were there the whole time), the two of us were flirting heavily, we gave each other massage, etc. I blew it in the end because I didn't recognize a **** test, and thought that it was a rejection, but that doesn't really matter. The point is that I am able to run some game, to flirt and attract girls, when I meet them through social circle (which happens very rarely - that's the problem), and not through a cold approach.
This brings us to my problem. My approach anxiety has reduced, it's still there, but I can approach. The problem is that I SUCK in the early game, in the part for which Juggler's 90:10 rule applies. When I meet a girl through friends, I don't have to lead the conversation all the time. I can be relatively quiet, until a good conversation thread opens. In a cold approach, however, you must do all the talking in the beginning. To me, it's not so difficult to run some game when a girl's mood changes from "who is this guy and why is he talking to me/us" to "this guy and me are talking and having fun", but that transition is as difficult for me as climbing the Mt. Everest.
I have read incredible amounts of material from mASF and other sources. I translated so much of it to Serbian, and when I look at all that material, I see that I don't have ANYTHING for the early game, and so much material for later.
I've seen that many people use stories like "bad ass little kid" or "gay cats routine", but I've already experienced that I can't bring myself to run them, at least not in the beginning. It feels stupid to me, and very unnatural. I can't use Swinggcat's routines like "how well do you know 80-is pop music - dog names routine", because I don't know much about music, and don't know anything about dog breeds. I've seen countless routines for later stages of the game which I LOVED, but none of these "early game light story routines" that I even liked. It's so unnatural to me to simply approach a stranger and start telling her a story about gay cats or something. What's worse, my life has been pretty boring, and I don't have good stories of my own (well, I do have some, but mostly of events when I made a fool of myself, and that's not the kind of funny story to tell a girl).
I thought I liked opinion openers, but there is again the problem of transitioning to the next topic. I can ask girls "who lies more", they'll say what they think, I'll say "no, girls lie more because they wear makeup to make themselves more pretty" or something, and then what? Gay cats? I need something that would feel more natural (something situational, or even something of a "what do you do" kind - but more interesting), even though it may not be the best solution that a good PUA would offer.
I am sure that some of you guys have a different approach to early game. Help! HEEEELP!
Recently I've spent ten days in Belgrade, Serbia. Being a large city (almost two million people), and, more importantly, not being my home city (so nobody knew me), Belgrade was ideal for an inexperienced guy like me to finally start doing some sarging. So I did. The idea was to expand my comfort zone.
I did a couple of approaches that were completely ridiculous, but I thought - so much the better. The more embarrassing the line - the further my comfort zone will expand. I approached girls in a city park and said: "I got lost in this forest, could you show me the way back to Belgrade?" and stuff like that. I tried the "oh my God, is that you? How long has it been since we've seen each other" approach (the girl I approached with this completely ignored me, she just stopped for a moment and then left without saying a word - it was funny). I did a few situational openers. I eyecoded a girl in a city bus to offer her to sit by me when a group of policemen discussed which one of them will sit, and got the whole group to compliment my gentlemanly behavior and recognize my alpha status (can't really describe it well, but the vibe was there).
Now, you may ask - did I accomplish anything? Did I close any of those girls? Before I answer you this, let me tell you what happened later, in the last three evenings. Through social circle (important: not cold approach!) I met a girl, a solid HB 8. Since my inner game is still weak, I didn't expect that she could be attracted to me (thought she was out of my league), but I ran the game anyway. By the third evening (our friends were there the whole time), the two of us were flirting heavily, we gave each other massage, etc. I blew it in the end because I didn't recognize a **** test, and thought that it was a rejection, but that doesn't really matter. The point is that I am able to run some game, to flirt and attract girls, when I meet them through social circle (which happens very rarely - that's the problem), and not through a cold approach.
This brings us to my problem. My approach anxiety has reduced, it's still there, but I can approach. The problem is that I SUCK in the early game, in the part for which Juggler's 90:10 rule applies. When I meet a girl through friends, I don't have to lead the conversation all the time. I can be relatively quiet, until a good conversation thread opens. In a cold approach, however, you must do all the talking in the beginning. To me, it's not so difficult to run some game when a girl's mood changes from "who is this guy and why is he talking to me/us" to "this guy and me are talking and having fun", but that transition is as difficult for me as climbing the Mt. Everest.
I have read incredible amounts of material from mASF and other sources. I translated so much of it to Serbian, and when I look at all that material, I see that I don't have ANYTHING for the early game, and so much material for later.
I've seen that many people use stories like "bad ass little kid" or "gay cats routine", but I've already experienced that I can't bring myself to run them, at least not in the beginning. It feels stupid to me, and very unnatural. I can't use Swinggcat's routines like "how well do you know 80-is pop music - dog names routine", because I don't know much about music, and don't know anything about dog breeds. I've seen countless routines for later stages of the game which I LOVED, but none of these "early game light story routines" that I even liked. It's so unnatural to me to simply approach a stranger and start telling her a story about gay cats or something. What's worse, my life has been pretty boring, and I don't have good stories of my own (well, I do have some, but mostly of events when I made a fool of myself, and that's not the kind of funny story to tell a girl).
I thought I liked opinion openers, but there is again the problem of transitioning to the next topic. I can ask girls "who lies more", they'll say what they think, I'll say "no, girls lie more because they wear makeup to make themselves more pretty" or something, and then what? Gay cats? I need something that would feel more natural (something situational, or even something of a "what do you do" kind - but more interesting), even though it may not be the best solution that a good PUA would offer.
I am sure that some of you guys have a different approach to early game. Help! HEEEELP!