"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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New Girlfriend - Trustworthy or not? Opinions needed!

ApolloCreed

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Started dating a chick mid January (my first posts on here referred to this specific girl), and I'm trying to assess her value level. First exclusive relationship in 5 years, but I've got a lot of experience with dating, so when I spot red flags I don't forget them easily.

Ok, a bit about her/us: she's attractive, intelligent, with a very good career. She pushed for exclusivity, then eventually recently asked me to be her boyfriend. We currently spend around 4 nights a week together, and she goes all out for me in terms of both the bedroom and doing unexpected sweet things/buying me ****/inviting me places with her friends (who I've overheard talking very favourably about me). FYI, she's admitted to cheating in past relationships, as have I.

Now, before I explain some points of interest I must disclose that I'm secretly suspicious and skeptical with pretty much every girl I date, mainly due to a long history of cheating and being cheated on. I keep this aspect of my personality hidden, so this new girlfriend likely has almost zero idea I'm having doubts.


Red Flags/stuff I've noticed:

- Initially played a good girl routine until I told her to drop the act. I'm no saint and far from naive.

- Spotted inconsistencies and lies about past dating history (including only recently finding out she was 'casually seeing' someone at the time we met). I know this is something girls often do and not necessarily indicative, but it makes you wonder.

- Lives in a mixed sex share house, with one of the guys acting strange and almost hostile towards me.

- Was meant to be meeting me and friends for dinner on the 2nd day of starting a new job. Text me saying she'd be late due to a meeting at 5pm. Asked her how it went around 7.30pm and she gave a weird, avoidant response. Saw a couple of call logs and a text between her and a guy on that day saying "en-route now, meet at >company HQ< at 4pm". Her job involves a lot of coordinating people, and this guy may well innocently be a team member or her boss, but who knows.

- Her and her friend came to a party being hosted by some dude I know (friend of a friend). Her friend was sick, so she took her upstairs to lay down. This guy followed them upstairs after 5 mins, and was gone for maybe 20-30 mins. Didn't think anything of it, until a couple of hours later he was asking me if I'm with "that girl". As we left his house, my girlfriend told him she'd "send him those contacts" (we were all briefly talking about work at one point, but there was no swapping of numbers). The next day I casually asked if she sent this guy the contacts, and she said she doesn't have his contact details, which seemed odd considering her departing statement. This guy lives next door to a lot of my very close female friends, so it would be real risky for him to try anything on my chick, but it's not implausible.


- Bit of a flirt when we're out and she's drunk, but I suppose not really more than your average chick.


- Regularly leaves her phone laying around next to me unlocked, and her facebook logged in on my computer. Being the ******* that I am, of course I took a look. Couple of messages of guys hitting on her, but her rejecting them saying she has a boyfriend. However, I have spotted her deleting text messages while holding her phone out my my view. Makes me wonder if she purposefully leaves stuff laying around when she knows there wont be anything untoward to be found.

- Recently realised her phone is a DualSim (you can switch between 2 numbers). This makes me curious, but doesn't necessarily mean much considering she's had the phone before I was on the scene.


So what's your verdict? Shall I give her the benefit of the doubt and write it off as me being overly suspicious, keep monitoring, or just full on dump her? My experience tells me that gut instincts usually have something to them, but I've long been a known pessimist when it comes to relationships. I definitely find being a man***** much less complicated.

FYI I still have lots of interest from other girls, and being single is fine by me - which is why I need to know that I'm not giving it all up for a stealth slut.

Outside perspectives appreciated!
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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If you feek the need to go through her phone/facebook the there is no point in the relationship.
 

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ovoxo said:
If you feek the need to go through her phone/facebook the there is no point in the relationship.
My thoughts too, unfortunately.
 

ApolloCreed

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ovoxo said:
If you feek the need to go through her phone/facebook the there is no point in the relationship.
Fair point, but in the early stages of a relationship you never know for certain who or what you're really dealing with. Keeping your eyes open can tilt things in your favour.
 

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ApolloCreed said:
Fair point, but in the early stages of a relationship you never know for certain who or what you're really dealing with. Keeping your eyes open can tilt things in your favour.
You should keep your eyes open before deciding to call it a relationship.

If it's a woman who I mistrust so badly that I have to sneak through her phone, then I'd just keep her around as a f**k buddy. I wouldn't give someone the title of "girlfriend" if I didn't trust her.

Hell, you've been with her for only 2 or 3 months and you're already spying on her. As you get more emotionally attached to her, this habit will get worse. Not better.

So, either you're paranoid or your gut is telling you something about her. Either way, not good for longterm potential
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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The sexier/more intelligent/ambitious a girl is the more likely you will be to constantly think she has other options. Sounds a bit shady to me, but it also sounds like she is a quality woman who is career driven and devoted to pleasing you. So if she actually does something to disrespect you then tell her that she can't do that **** if she wants the relationship to continue, but until then it you seem like you are just being paranoid...its no surprise that guys who had their eye on her will act hostile towards you...
 

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The title of this thread should be, The little guy that sit's on my shoulder told me. Should I believe him?

I would. He's most always right.

Two things:
1)You sound insecure and need to get over that.
2)Trust her until her actions prove her untrustworthy.
 

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ovoxo said:
If you feek the need to go through her phone/facebook the there is no point in the relationship.
Painfully true. My gf (at the time) always had her new Android phone lying around. So one night when she was in the shower i decided to play with it cuz my phone is dull and basic and i realized im going to have to learn how to use these phones for when i buy a new one. Well i eventually learned how to navigate her call logs, texts, pictures, etc. I saw a few texts and calls to guys she used to mess with before me and called her out on it. From then on i was constantly checking her phone, fbook messages, etc. Turned into a routine thing whenever she left the room for the bathroom or whatever. Once you open that box, youre screwed.
 

ApolloCreed

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Some good advice here.

The situation seems to be one extreme or the other - she's either genuine and a pretty awesome girlfriend (for now at least), or she's extremely devious/I'm majorly paranoid. This gut instinct I have has been shockingly accurate at uncovering things in past relationships, but has also been wrong on several occasions too. In fact I wrongly accused my ex a couple of times, but was totally oblivious when she actually did cheat on me. This may be the reason for my over-analysing with this girl.

Regarding the insecure comment - I'm insecure about relationships and monogamy (including my own ability to be faithful), but not really in myself. I got her hooked on me pretty easily after all.

The snooping is a bit pathetic though, I must admit. Playing private investigator isn't where you should be after 3 months of dating.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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