"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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sterlingarcher

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I realize I just recently started a thread about my ex, and that's still an ongoing issue, but I'd have to be some kind of idiot to not continue talking to other girls as well. So anyway...

Randomly friend requested this HB9 on fb the other day. We have a few mutual friends and she popped up on the "People You May Know" thing. Honestly I wouldn't have requested her if she didn't have an interesting haircut (one of those shoulder length layered deals with the very side of her head buzzed, it intrigued me). She responded to the request within a few minutes. Sent her this message:

Me: we have a few mutual friends but I honestly sent you a request because of your ballin haircut. thanks for the add hun.
Her: well thank you my dear :D :D :D

And then we chatted for a short bit about general stuff. She said she doesn't usually like going out much around where we live because the places suck (they kind of do). I said I usually go to *nearest major city* instead because bar/clubs there are better, and she should join me next time. She she said her and her best friend are going there for New Years and if she likes it "maybeeeee I could be convinced to go again :D". We had like two more exchanges about movies and then she stopped responding. It was about 9pm on a Sunday; I have no idea what time this chick goes to bed, or if she just got bored or what. But overall I think it went fairly well.

How should I proceed from here?

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I also changed my profile picture today and she "liked" it within about 30 seconds.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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sterlingarcher

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Also, I didn't number close and I should have. I dropped the ball on that one and now that's my goal. Number and a date.
 

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I did the same thing a couple of months ago. Added an hb8 i didnt know over facebook, exchanged few texts, got her number, went on a date and im still seeing her. Get her number and ask her on a date, it worked for me..
 

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And also, do not like or comment her updates,pictures, anything on her facebook. It make you stand out of an afc crowd
 

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Arthy said:
I did the same thing a couple of months ago. Added an hb8 i didnt know over facebook, exchanged few texts, got her number, went on a date and im still seeing her. Get her number and ask her on a date, it worked for me..
Arthy said:
And also, do not like or comment her updates,pictures, anything on her facebook. It make you stand out of an afc crowd
Good tips. I don't usually like anything on girls pages anyway.

Not sure how to open when I message her though since I missed the opportunity in our first conversation. I don't want too much useless chit chat, but I also want a smooth transition.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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This is how i got the number. I asked for it without previously chating, she replied saying that she needs to get to know me first over fb, to which i replied: cool, we ll talk sometime. And i logged off. Week later, i initiated the chat convo, it was late, 2 or 3 am and i remember being drunk. We were chatting about random stuff for like 30 mins and than she said.. HB: its late, i m going to sleep, good night :p ME: can i have a goodnight kiss? HB: :** Can i have one too? :D ME: Not over facebook HB: In person? A kiss on a cheek for start ME: I will think about it HB: How come you are asking me for a kiss and you dont even have my phone number? ME: You didnt want me to have it HB: Here it is ****** Sorry for the messed up text, im typing from my crappy phone
 

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should I wait to contact her until tomorrow or the next day, since we just talked last night?
 

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Messaging her often gives off the vibe that you are too readily available.

Scarcity is your friend.

She was probably initially interested but when you kept going and going she was able to tell how available you were to her, and that's why she stopped responding.

Always leave them wanting more. Don't exchange personal conversation through messages. Flirt just enough to get her interested and then close with you all meeting up.
 

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TitanSS said:
Messaging her often gives off the vibe that you are too readily available.

Scarcity is your friend.

She was probably initially interested but when you kept going and going she was able to tell how available you were to her, and that's why she stopped responding.

Always leave them wanting more. Don't exchange personal conversation through messages. Flirt just enough to get her interested and then close with you all meeting up.
I'll take that as a "wait a day or two to contact her" lol. Thanks man. You're right about all this. I've definitely noticed that the more idle chat with no clear goal, the more a girl will tend to just taper off the convo.
 
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