"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Never saw this coming!

Effington

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Not sure why I'm sharing the tragedy of last night on the board here, I guess this is simply a brief rant. Not quite sure if I'm upset at someone else or myself, or no one.

My hot neighbor threw a surprise birthday for her best friend, who is also a 9+. I've met her a few times and we got along very well. I arrived a little later than everyone else, and it was a group of 15 people; 12 drop dead gorgeous women, and 3 guys. I was like, holy crap, I am in heaven.

I had to do a double-take on one girl because she was a 1:100000 girl that you rarely see. Super short, really cute face, and great curves. I'm very short so I definitely have a thing for short girls. I introduce myself but move on to talk to other people. For simplicity, let's call her Amy. I notice no ring on her finger.

After a bunch of drinks we all head out to Rush/Division, which is the trendy night club part of Chicago. Me and the hottie chill in the corner talking, she seemed really cool. I bust on her a bit and she was digging it, definitely seemed like she was laughing at anything I threw at her.

After about a half hour or so, a bunch of the girls go up to the dance floor [Amy included] but I stay downstairs with the other girls. I get major social proof when the table next to me recognized me and it was an old friend of mine. Obviously they want to get introduced to the people I was with, and we merge tables. [Side note: it's amusing how well you get treated, both by random people, and even staff, if you're with a group of hotties, as opposed with a bunch of guys!]

I needed some liquid courage to get myself on the dance floor, but that came quick. [I think all it really takes is for me to find one of those girls, cause I usually have to be much more drunk to get on a dance floor]. I bring my buddy, dance with Amy, the birthday girl, and a couple other girls, it was a real good time. My neighbor comes over and tells us they're leaving, so we snag the table [Amy, birthday girl, me, and 2 other girls stay]. We shoot the **** some more [birthday girl definitely was flirty], but I was more interested in Amy.

We take off at around 2:00am, we had a sober driver so she taxi'd us around. I was the first stop since I lived the closest to where we were. Anyway, as I get out of the car, I take out my cell phone and go, "Hey, I'm totally going to put you on the spot with your girlfriends and let you give me your phone number." She smiled and replied, "I'm married".

Definitely not what I was expecting there! I was like, woah! I knock on neighbor's door and 5 of them were still up and try and save face, cause that's going to go badly for me. Neighbor told me how Amy mentioned earlier that she accidently forgot her wedding ring. Don't people usually bring that up, though? The other girl I was talking to there mentioned her boyfriend like 6 times in the 5 minutes I talked to her; that usually comes out quick in first conversations, especially at night clubs.

I honestly don't think she was trying to lead me on because she seemed really reserved, and even a little shy. On the dance floor, the girls were all dancing in a circle until I came and partnered up. It was just a shock. And now my chances at birthday girl are pretty much shot, cause she was in the car as witness. I probably should have asked earlier in the night, but we had a vibe going so didn't think it was going to be a problem.

Thus, another one bites the dust.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Snowman23

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Don't really think you did anything wrong. Just a bummer situation. You have to be careful with HB9+s though. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
 

ARrocket

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Hey man don't worry about it....**** like this will happen from time to time.

At least you know next time to get the number a bit earlier in the encounter.
 

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That sucks. have been in the same situation a year back and this married women was very flirty althou not shy to give me her email address. oh well. not much i could have done either.

I got a question.

Are married women easier or more difficult to get into their pants?

Just a question?
 

Effington

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I don't think it would be that big of a deal, except I burned my bridge with the other girl, who I think was interested. I'd met her a couple times previous and she was flirty, as well as that night, but paid her little mind (that may have even increased her interest level). Asking for her friend's # means there's no going back.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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MotownMack

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Not to be negative, it sounds like you were doing a great job, but sounds like you might have been a little too into this chick.

Also, if you knew these girls well enough to go with them for a birthday party, one of them should have seen what was going on and told you she was married. That part was kinda lame.

Oh well, you didn't do anything wrong-keep on keepin on.
 

Max Power

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MotownMack said:
Also, if you knew these girls well enough to go with them for a birthday party, one of them should have seen what was going on and told you she was married. .
Yeah. What's up with that?
 

lookyoung

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Rush and division in Chicago.. I am from the that area and partied at the hunt club and a place called Chicago a few weeks back.

Well anyways as far as your story goes I don't think you burned a bridge. You could still go for the other girl. If the girl had a high interest level in you she probably will still be willing to go out with you. Tell her you had been drinking and knew that she was married and that you were totally hammered.
 

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Think on it like this. Next time, she might be single and say "Sure, here's my number, call me later."

You took a chance, and next time you should take the same chance. Good on you for bein a man, good on you.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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First of all, props for putting yourself out there and having a great time. The only thing that I can suggest to combat this in the future, is to try and esculate a little earlier so you know where you stand. Either by kino, hair / neck touching or asking for the number saying in case we get separated and you don't get a chance later.

Also like another poster said, maybe don't invest so much time into one chick all night, you had 12 targets who all potentially you could have hit up, a smart man would have invested some time in all of them instead of making it obvious to all of them that he wanted target A.

But overall great job regardless, your on the right path.
 
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