Never, ever, EVER!!!

[jophil28]

It's supposed to be fun... somehow for me it goes straight to "who's in charge here" lol. I'll learn.

The only way to avoid the inevitable power struggle is to go all wuss on her and turn AFC. Then there is no need to struggle for "the power" . SHe is in control . Ha ha !
However that is not our way, so power struggles are inevitable because western woman are habituated to thinking that they OWN the power.. I have learned NOT to spend much time and energy on them. IF you are f**king a woman who plays the "make him jealous" game, she is trying to pull you in line. CONTROL ! . Pulling further away is the only correct remedy.
NEVER let the "jealous game" succeed...use your regular distancing tactics.

Remember, NEVER reward crap behavior - if you do you will guarantee more of it.

 

[reset]

The only way to avoid the inevitable power struggle is to go all wuss on her and turn AFC. Then there is no need to struggle for "the power" . SHe is in control . Ha ha !

Lol. I was thinking about this... if what I'm doing is the right way how the hell are AFCs holding onto chicks.

No fvcking yet, this is just getting started, but...

NEVER let the "jealous game" succeed.

Can't do it. Won't do it. One thing I can say is that even if it's tough, I am learning to just trust in my standards. I'm a good guy and I deserve good treatment, and if it's not to be, so be it.

Remember, NEVER reward crap behavior - if you do you will guarantee more of it.

I can say this is at least one attitude that has become a part of me.

 

[jophil28]

Lol. I was thinking about this... if what I'm doing is the right way how the hell are AFCs holding onto chicks.

Examine your beliefs about women here . Masculine men do NOT always get the girl. A masculine man will EVENTUALLY land a high quality FEMININE girl. It just may take a while !
Lots of AFCs have LTRs and marriages. What is in question is whether these "relationships' are of high quality or healthy. The answer is probably NO. However, they seem to survive because they are "arrangements of convenience" - mainly for the women. Many woman DO marry "nice guys" because they can control the guy and the marriage. Many woman actually WANT an AFC husband this reason - power and control..

The dating/PUA experts will lead you to believe that Alphas and DJs get all the girls and AFCs miss out - not so. There are many woman who are terrified of powerful men and prefer a weakling NICE guy to play servant to her and her whims. AFCs are low risk males.

I think of it this way - the higher standard of game that you play,the fewer women that you will find to join you in playing it... THis contradicts DJ thinking somewhat and tosses out a lot of PUA dogma too.

 

[Juando]

Examine your beliefs about women here . Masculine men do NOT always get the girl. Masculine will EVENTUALLY land a high quality FEMININE girl. It might take a while !
Lots of AFCs have LTRs and marriages. What is in question is whether these "relationships' are of high quality or healthy. The answer is probably NO. However they seem to survive because they are "arrangements of convenience" - mainly for the women. Many woman DO marry "nice guys" because they can control the guy and the marriage. Many woman actually WANT an AFC husband this reason.
The dating/PUA experts will lead you to believe that Alphas and DJs get the girls and AFCs miss out - not so. There are many woman who are terrified of powerful men and prefer a weakling NICE guy to play servant to her and her whims.
I think of it this way - the higher standard of game that you play,the fewer women that you will find to join you. THis contradicts DJ thinking somewhat and tosses out a lot of PUA dogma too.

Gold.:rockon:

 

[Scaramouche]

Never but Never go back.

 

[reset]

Good post.

There are many woman who are terrified of powerful men and prefer a weakling NICE guy to play servant to her and her whims. AFCs are low risk males.

I think this explains what I was getting at. The AFC isn't willing to risk losing the girl, so he just puts up with whatever controlling behavior she throws at him. It also shows me that I shouldn't fear "losing" a chick because of my standards, the whole point is to sift through girls who don't meet my standards. I agree that some women are too insecure to handle a guy who can control the frame.

A masculine man will EVENTUALLY land a high quality FEMININE girl. It just may take a while !

Right. And giving, flexible, feminine women are what we need to be looking for, not masculine females who are on a power trip.

 

[Colossus]

I think of it this way - the higher standard of game that you play,the fewer women that you will find to join you in playing it... THis contradicts DJ thinking somewhat and tosses out a lot of PUA dogma too.

This is something that the DJ manual doesnt tell you. Frankly it's a myth that the DJ/Masculine man gets the lion's share of the women. This is incorrect, both intuitively and statistically.

The fact is, a masculine independent man (the way we are supposed to be) is dangerous. Not necessarily in the bad boy/lawbreaker sort of way, but to a woman he is a risk. He might dump her if she doesnt please him. He wont let her walk all over his balls. He will continue to do his own thing and hang out with who he wants despite her whining. He will likely see other women until she has proven herself. His way of living and thinking precludes her from having the frame, and to most western women this is unacceptable. They were raised and bred by our culture to get their way.

The thing we have to realize here is that this world isnt painted in absolute DJ/AFC tones. Contrary to what we preach here, most guys arent TOTAL AFC's...they fall somewhere inbetween, usually on the AFC side when it comes to women. As Jophil the Wise said, women gravitate towards AFCs because they are easy. They will do essentially whatever she can conjure up in order to keep their precious pvssy. They are easily manipulated, easily fooled, and SAFE.

Thus, a solitary life is often the lot of a Man with sterling standards. Sure, he might get pvssy when he wants some, but as for finding a suitable FEMININE woman to be his companion....the odds are against him. At least in this country.

 

[reset]

You're leaving out attraction. Sure they may be a "risk" but this is all logic talking. Women are turned on by masculine men. Even against their own wishes.

 

[Colossus]

Reset-

You kind of hijacked the purpose of my thread. You are just arguing for the sake of arguing.

The point of my post, and Jophil's, was that a Man with high standards (which is one of the hallmarks of a developed man as we define it) does NOT always get the greater share of women. In fact, it is usually the opposite.

Masculine men attract FEMININE women; not the archetype of the modern western woman, who embraces entitlement and more masculine qualities that make them successful in careers. These qualities do not equate to success in relationships, so a DJ with a refined pallette for genuine femininity is going to filter out these women by the stringency of his standards. It's not that women, per se, find him less attractive, but it's that the majority of women are excluded from his 'prospect radius' because of his criterion.

AFCs in all their forms are a commodity. They serve women's purposes well and are readily available. The older a woman gets, the less comfortable she feels with being alone. So just by probablility most women find a man who is in some form an AFC. We were all AFCs before we found this place, otherwise we wouldnt be here.

Additionally, everyone has their "market share" of the opposite sex. Everyone. The textbook AFC loser to the consummate DJ to everyone inbetween. Naturally, a man of higher value and standards is going to have a narrow market share, because he wont settle for mediocrity. Same goes with high quality women. They are attracted to people of similar caliber.

All men are NOT created equal. But with diligence we can level the playing field.

 

[reset]

Good post, wont' "hijack" your thread anymore. I am not arguing... I'm trying to come to a greater understanding. You posted about disrespect, I took that further, as I am learning more about this topic. Jophil's great posts to me have been "never tolerate disrespect, here's how, here's why" and I have been asking follow up questions in order to understand this topic better.

 

[bigjohnson]

At least in this country.

One other thing on that note is that western women will almost always try to break a man into AFC mode because they think it's what they want. Most foreign (non-westernized) women are pleased to have a man and pleased to be a woman.

Being with one of these ladies is so relaxing, fun and natural feeling it's almost intoxicating. They have options but they want you. They know you have options but are willing to work at keeping your interest.

Here most women expect the man to do all the work in the relationship. It's BS.

 

[aix237]

Speed dawg, just like I thought no life but too think about me u homo. Oh man ur only looking like a chump talking about me in this thread. Say whatever u want cause it doesn't effect me. Noone effects me. Its precious that u were thinking about me in this thread im flattered. Fvckin b1tch azz pvssy. Go sit infront of ur computer eat some more pizza, become a fatter azz than u already are and go play with urself watchin two dudes make out most likely u will be picturing me. Haha u aint sh1t and u know it.

 

[Colossus]

If only I had mod powers...

 

[reset]

If only I had mod powers...

You'd abuse them.

 

[reset]

Thanks guru, that was immensely helpful. A lot of this is starting to fall in place for me now.

 

[( . )( . )]

There are some things in life you should just never do, ever! And usually you learn these the hard way...

Never, ever, EVER:

-Ask a woman if she is pregnant

-Ask a woman how many guys she has slept with

-Tell your wife or girlfriend about sosuave!! What you know can and WILL be used against you, trust me. You wouldn't share a fine wine with someone who couldn't appreciate it, and this is no different.

-Talk to your woman like you would with your buds or comrades at sosuave!! Some things should NEVER be said around your woman. You can still state your opinion on a matter, but choose those words wisely. A hole you dug with a poor explanation of something, i.e. why you think feminism is rubbish, can be impossible to recover from.

-Assume she is on birth control. Ever!

-Tolerate ONE blatant act of disrespect. If you don't walk away or put the hammer down, your frame is SUNK.


Add your own if you got 'em.

That's gold, Jerry! Gold!

I've done all of them except for the 3rd one, paid the price by pulling my pants down and bending over.

However, I doubt this stuff has as much impact on a man by just telling him without him actually living through it? Still good to know regardless I guess. The birth control one ..woah thats caused me some pain and grief let me tell ya, and I still dont fully heed the warning :crazy:

 

[Heretolearn]

That's gold, Jerry! Gold!

I've done all of them except for the 3rd one, paid the price by pulling my pants down and bending over.

However, I doubt this stuff has as much impact on a man by just telling him without him actually living through it? Still good to know regardless I guess. The birth control one ..woah thats caused me some pain and grief let me tell ya, and I still dont fully heed the warning :crazy:

Your signature quote, I thought Oscar Wilde but just searched and apparently Henry James.

(not sure who he is though)

Hope that helps

 

[Colossus]

You'd abuse them.

Nah. Very rarely does someone deserve a ban. Usually a thread lock will put out the fire.

 

[aix237]

Col ur a f@g quit crying u let me get to u that much? Hahhahahahaha. Fvckin baby. Yea im causing such a ruckus ban me and u can sleep easier at night cause apparently ur uneasy about me.can't imagine how u are with a ch1ck messing with ur weak minded azz.

 

[Pimp-sicle]

NEVER:

1. Piss on an electric fence.
2. Fall asleep on the train tracks.
3. Wrestle with rattlesnakes.

....unless you are aix237. In that case do all of the above.

HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! That was classic bro.... aix237 definitely is a character.....



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