"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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tweeder

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Thanks for the advice WildThang. I agree that I should be careful in pursuing this woman, but I feel that I have. She doesn't really present herself as much of a "challenge" to me. She tells me constantly that she likes me, thinks I'm hot, nice, etc. So it's not much of a guessing game there.
The only challenge I have is knowing how much DJ skills to use on her.

And we share everything in common. It's scary really. We have the same religion, but she is a little more devoted than I am. So it's not just her looks either. Despite all of this I am still avoiding diving into this thing 100 percent at least for a little while. Thanks again for the advice.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Originally posted by tweeder:
Thanks for the advice WildThang. I agree that I should be careful in pursuing this woman, but I feel that I have. She doesn't really present herself as much of a "challenge" to me. She tells me constantly that she likes me, thinks I'm hot, nice, etc. So it's not much of a guessing game there.
The only challenge I have is knowing how much DJ skills to use on her.

And we share everything in common. It's scary really. We have the same religion, but she is a little more devoted than I am. So it's not just her looks either. Despite all of this I am still avoiding diving into this thing 100 percent at least for a little while. Thanks again for the advice.
No - this is not what I meant by 'challenge'.

Look at it this way - you are *already thinking* 'Hey - she likes me! All this attention - I like it. I want more... But what do I need to do to get this girl? Am I going to do it right? What does she want from me? What did those other guys do wrong? How can I be sure she won't treat me the same?'

That's the problem. *You are already on the defensive here.* And this is what AFCs do and think. Their focus is all on what the girl wants to hear from them, what they can say that will win her, and all of that crap.

The real question is - does being around this woman make you happy? Do you have the time of your life with her? Does spending time with her add something to an already packed and happy life right away? Or are you thinking 'Hey - one day we'll get to have sex. One day maybe she'll marry me. One day...'

You see the difference? It's about *you*. It's not what you have in common. It's how you feel with her *now* that counts.

If you really can say 'Yes, I am having the time of my life with this person here and now' then you're onto to something great. Then I'd suggest surprising her one day with the chivalry thing, going for some kino, and - from what you've said - you're in.

But if you can't say that - if you're thinking about how the relationship *might* look, one day, if you're lucky, and you say and do exactly the right things between now and then - then that's a big red flag. This is not somewhere you want to be.
 

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tweeder,
ill try to explain where i am at. So I hadn't seen this girl in about a year. She came over to my friends dorm and left shortly after but i was super nice to her and she was real receptive because last time we had seen each other I was kinda the jerky sort of high school jock. So after I watched the simpsons I asked my friends about her and they say she is very straight and hasn't even kissed a guy (but I hear that plenty of dudes want her) since she has been in college this semester(shes 1 year younger) So they sat down to watch a movie and I just went over to her pad, talked, then it justed happened I put my newly aquirred DJ skills into place and got to second base with the goody good girl.
So Im in a different situation than you are tweeder but with the same kind of girl.
In order to be successful with this girl, I am going to have to let her know that I am interested in her and that I am not playing around with her. This is tough because if i act like too much of a challenge she will see through it and think i am playing her (shes smart , pre med like her dad) and if I let her know I really like her then I come across as a total p^ss and I lose her then too. Tweeder or Wildthang, do you guys know any lines or tips that can help me thread the needle through this fine line? It's a tough situation.
 

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so does anyone have any good tips on how to trick or convince a goody girl into thinking that you are not just playing them but really like them, without sounding like a doormat????
 

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alright since nobody knows how to trick a goody girl into thinking that you really like them without sounding like a p*ssy. Tonight I am just going to act like I barely care what she does and hopefully she will want to get on me, just like your ordinary gutter b*tch.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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