"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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negging doesn't work!

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something I discovered the hard way

negging only works on chicks who think they are the hot sh!t

and in China even the really hot girls (in college) don't get hit on so overtly as in other countries, because every dude here is AFC

so negging them isn't as effective as usual.

it seems that lot of girls mature very quickly in terms of their self perception once they graduate from college, and I've found lots of success negging HB8-9s who are over 22, even though I'm younger than them.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Yeah, negging on undesirable mates is more just insulting really. They have low self esteem and take it as an insult then go home and cry afterwards.

It's meant for leveling the playing field by portraying yourself as not overcome by somebody elses beauty leading them to believe you are on their level even if she is more attractive than yourself. It is also conversation which help to lead them to believe you're not just like every other guy who walks up to her with a raging huge boner. Am I right?
 

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you also have to understand that a large majority of guys neg incorrectly. the neg should produce a laugh. and yes, you shouldn't neg anyone more than once unels they are a HB and then maybe twice. but unless they are a hired gun, more than twice is ridiculous.

i'd say tone down you're negs. make them more complimentary and more subtle. the something in your hair is good as long as you've kino escalated properly. or just offer them gum.
 

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It's all in the way you deliver, I've had good success even negging girls with pretty low self esteem, I would recommend picking something they aren't self concious about though.
 

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Yeah, today I ordered takeout bbq and drove off to do some halloween costume shopping while they cooked it, and when I come back, she (fat) says your order's inside, and I say, "Really? I thought ya'll (her co-worker fat too) had probably ate it all" and I thought to myself "uh oh, I just negged two fat chicks" and when I come back out she (the less fat one) winks and piggish-looking says, "Don't get too wild and crazy tonight!" after I said for them to have a nice Halloween.

They Knew they were sooo low-value. Their (early twenties porkers) insecurities shined right through. There were other hostesses there who were actually hot though who were eying me in the brief moments I was there.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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I wouldn't worry about it mate, I negged a girl in a bar. I knew her from around and about and one night I said "Your rump looks huge in that" and before I could say anymore she punched me square on the cheek, told me to f*ck off and stormed off. I haven't spoken to her since, I'm absolutely scared of her.

I can't seem to master the art of negging, so I think I'll stop trying to use it when seducing a girl, I never pull it off.
 

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I wouldn't recommend negging in traditionally conservative (or used to be)countries such as china,the middle east, some african countries and especially japan.

Since asians tend to be more direct when they speak (meaning that they rarely are sarcastic, rarely put on fake faces or shifting personalities etc...) they'll probably view the neg as how you truly feel about them.

I would, however, try a very "soft" neg or something more along the C&F bracket.
 

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LOL. what is the purpose of a neg? To remove a bytch shield right? So why are you negging girls who don't have one? Using the wrong tool for the wrong job. Negging does work, your just doing it wrong.
 

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Dude I negged the shyt out of some girls. Be careful because you can destroy relationships with negs...one of them I'm glad about though; I told her she looks better with her hair down and she was real pissed off about it and doesn't want me talking to her anymore.

rofl I now realize she's kind of a loser, but I gotta go easier on the negging.
 

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lol funny story relating to the topic. I still remember the first time I read about the 'negging' theory, back in 2005. My friends and I went to this club, and I caught a glance of these two sexy girls dancing so seductively with each other. They were obviously putting on a show for all the dudes on the dance floor. I went up to them, feeling mighty confident that negging will seal the deal, and whispered in the ear of the girl I fancied:

"Hey, I think your friend is a great dancer, you however, could use a lesson or two" and I said it with this coy smirk like I obviously didnt mean it.

The chick obviously did not have a sense of humour, because she slapped me on the face, and was really offended. Told her friend what I said, and her friend gave me dirty looks. I walked back to my buddies with my tail between my legs, and had to hear all the mockery that ensued. "Dude, reverse psychology does not work, no matter what your cot damn seduction ebook told you"

4 years later, and negging is still hit or miss with me.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Poonani Maker said:
(early twenties porkers) .
Haha, I liked that.

Yeah negging for the most part usually works well with 9+'s. I tried alot of this in my day and still do today with more so 7's and 8's and it's kinda gotten me off point to carry on any further discussion, as its labled me ''rude'' but with a ''laugh'' or "astonished look" I've usually gotten through with it.

Get familiar with these, "No it isn't, How is it, Do I really, You think .., You're mean, Meany, Cheeky" etc With giggles and laughs whilst you Negg - should have positive feedback.
 

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Poonani Maker said:
Yeah, today I ordered takeout bbq and drove off to do some halloween costume shopping while they cooked it, and when I come back, she (fat) says your order's inside, and I say, "Really? I thought ya'll (her co-worker fat too) had probably ate it all" and I thought to myself "uh oh, I just negged two fat chicks" and when I come back out she (the less fat one) winks and piggish-looking says, "Don't get too wild and crazy tonight!" after I said for them to have a nice Halloween.
HELL yeah jump on that ****! Just make sure your **** doesn't get crushed.
 

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I'm in the Mood said:
Dude I negged the shyt out of some girls. Be careful because you can destroy relationships with negs...one of them I'm glad about though; I told her she looks better with her hair down and she was real pissed off about it and doesn't want me talking to her anymore.

rofl I now realize she's kind of a loser, but I gotta go easier on the negging.
Haha ya I've pretty damaged my relationships with 3 LJBF's by doing this but it's also made me realize what *****es they can be.
 

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Neg does work

But it only works when it comes out naturally

When you neg without intending to, it comes out as ****y and gives off the 'I' am the Prize' vibe

Girls can easily sense it if you are deliberately trying to neg them - it ruins everything - unless they are just attention sluts
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Warrior74 said:
LOL. what is the purpose of a neg? To remove a bytch shield right? So why are you negging girls who don't have one? Using the wrong tool for the wrong job. Negging does work, your just doing it wrong.
^^ Negging does not work to somehow magically trigger attraction (as you all have been led to expect) if you do not grasp the reason why (as Warrior said) or misunderstand how to apply it in the correct context and settings.
Firstly, negging a woman's physical attributes is almost a guarantee that it will blow up in your face. This is minefield to be negotiated for only the most seasoned of soldiers, and you guys are mostly rookies.

I would suggest that you get in some basic training first with some mild C&F to test your field skills. Work slowly and carefully. There is nothing more disheartening that over-negging a woman who really appeals to you and watch her just swivel on those heels and walk away with a look of disgust on her face because you hit her with a hammer instead of a feather.
 

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neggin doesn't work where you live (China) because the chicks are more humble and traditional. Neggin isn't necessary over there.
Wait till you meet Shanghai princesses.

The simple explanation is that Chinese have a different sense of humour (which is crucial in a neg). Things that work in America may not work in China. Your lines and delivery have to be adapted to the environment.
 

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Jitterbug said:
Wait till you meet Shanghai princesses.
Yes I heard of Shanghai being overall more liberal than most of China. Still i have heard and read mostly awesome things about Chinese women. Most are still poor and come from conservative families. China is rapidly advancing we all know but most of its population is still poor.

I wouldn't worry about the majority of Chinese women becoming corrupted like women in America and Western Europe, not for a long time.
 

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Wow.. I think a lot of people are getting negging and teasing(C&F) mixed up a bit.

A neg has to be really subtle, and rather than standing there with a big cheesy grin on your face you need to actually show that you are slightly less interested in her as a person as a result of what you said in your neg, and she has to try to get you back and more importantly starts to see you as an equal if not a better. It almost cannot even come off as an insult, really subtle 'secondary female' communication. The classic example is Mystery's finger nails.

-Wow, I really like your nails! Are they real?
-No, they're fake
-Oh... Well, they're still kinda nice I guess.
Then change the topic.

Bam, you are down to my level b!tch.

Personally, I am not a fan. If shes a ***** I'd rather go and talk to someone more open. C&F is a lot more fun and gets a lot better results, and if you exagerate it and its really obvious you're messing around and having fun teasing her, you can get away with saying almost anything and still getting a laugh and it doesn't matter how their self confidence is. It is really playful and fun, like teasing your little sister or something. Again, nothing too blunt, more situational witty stuff. It is one of the key parts of my personality.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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