"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Need Urgent Help Please

David76

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Hiya

I have jost joined this forum, and I really need a quick bit of advice. I am meeting a girl on staurday I have been `sort of' since November

1. We started dating in November,then after few weeks shes started saying she just wanted to be friends, and maybe when she was sorted out, we could get together later. I said why? She said these things happen, just changed her mind. I was too clingy and keen before hand, maybe this put her off. Also, the situtaion was complicated, as she has a kid,and we work together. She brought a house with her ex-partner (the father) and still lives there, while they are selling it.

2. I eased off and tried to be friends and it was going ok. I wasn't being too heavy. We met up one weekend, kissed etc. Then she says the weekend made a big difference to her feelings for me.

3. The week or twe after this we text, talk etc. She says im the man for her, she really likes me, she thinks of me etc. I probbaly get a bit too keen again, and say i love her etc. I know, this wrong. But shed did lead me on a bit, but my fault, yes!

4. We go away valentines weekend, have what i thought was a good weekend. I text her if ok, she ignores me for 4days, says she busy, get back in touch. 3 days later texts, basic outcome,wnana be friends, nothing heavy. I say ok. She said i dont love her, i was confused.She says, how can u say u love me, and wanna be friends? I say perhaps i was confused, and she says i used her.

5. I leave it at that, and try to next her and ignore her, not delierately, just try to get my head together. She says why u ignoring me, we need to talk. I agree, shes says, she'll let me know. Week goes by, no response. text out the blue, how are you. then shes says sorry for not meeting to talk, didnt think right time. So i just carry on and distance myself.Sometomes if she texts and i dont respond for a while, she gets annoyed. If i text her and dont respond, i dont do anthing.

6.I text her say, we gonna talk or what etc, as im hurting really care for her.. She responds five hours later, dont think we can be more than friends.I withdraw.

6. Out the blue again, she says u in a mood. I say, look, i could be friends, just need time and space to my head together. I was assertive. If ur a friend, i say, respect my way of handling it, and ill be ok soon. She says, respect her by not ignoring her. She then says, in a pissed way,i thogiht u wanted to talk, (which i did weeks before, but apparently, she didnt!) either meet up or forget it.Shed cant do this anymore. She has things to do.

7.I agree to meet

Questions:

1.What should i do Saturday. I am going to lay it on the line, were either friends or together. Making your mind up time.You think this best? Any advice to retrieve the situation?

2.In my heart i wanna be with her, but is she playing me?I i stay friends, it wll always be in my mind to be with her. She must know this, so why insisit on being friends? Unless she really hasn't made her mind up.For some reason, i was wishy washy and nice at the start, maybe this put an impression in her mind. I know aht i want, she says ahe wants friends, but if i aint all over her like a puppy dog, she complains. Is it better to next her, to help myself and my own mind. What does she want?Is she playign me delibertaly, or just flaky?

3. She apporoached me in the first instance, was/am i on the good ladder, and been booted off, twice? Is it worth pursuing?

Cheers everyone. I am realising ive probbaly been an IW. Id like to retrieve it. I retrieved it once, i thought, but maybe shes been cleverer than me along along.I aint got much dating expreince, maybe saw me coming.

Main thing is, what should i do Saturday, should i even go?I text her on Thursday she how she is, she didnt respond. I think she menas more to me, than me to her, she seems in charge, and im running around when she says.

Thank You all

David
 

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Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

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What should i do Saturday. I am going to lay it on the line, were either friends or together. Making your mind up time.You think this best?

Hell, no! All you're going to get is another LJBF speech.

She is coming out of a relationship, which is in part why she's so flaky. But you are not helping with the clinging and the neediness. Notice that you get what you want when you give her space, and she runs away when you try to crowd her.

Here's what to do - hide your emotions. Act like she is no big deal. Have fun when you are around her, no serious talks about "us," and then forget about her when you are not around her. Now is a great time to go on a date with a different girl just to clear your head. Or go out tonight and talk to other girls. It will make you less clingy to her, which is what she wants.

Also, don't be surprised (or hurt) if she is still having occasional sex with her 'baby daddy.' I don't see how they could still live together if there was nothing at all between them.

And is 76 your birth year? If so, you are my age, but you are acting more like a teenager. You should dedicate yourself to learning how to have more game with women. Do your homework. Start with this:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=83349
and this:
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16822&highlight=afterbuzz+roller+coaster
 

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Guess what

She text me to say she very sorry she couldn't make it, that her kids ill.Sorry after all the fuss. Good to meet up gain soem time.

So i text back just said hope kid gets better soon.Take Care

Interesting eh
 

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Move on. Seriously. Is she worth all the hassle? Are you looking for a meaningful Ltr, or just to have some fun?

First figure out what you want first.

Then decide what to do. My personal vote would be to go meet other women.

So far she is just stringing you along. You're part of her ego safety-net. Next time she calls, don't pick up. Next time she texts, also don't pick up. If she calls a second time. then pick up and talk, otherwise forget it.
 

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You see, this has made me waste my time and everyone else on here, saying urgent for Saturday, when didnt turn up any how.Im glad of all the advice though.Looks like i need it.

Though she lives with her X, so no way he looked after kid?

Never again will i be some dumb. We all make mistakes, only foold dont learn from them. Im no fool. (thoigh i have been)
 

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She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Why do you, or anyone, want to be "friends" with hors??? You have sex with hors - a man does not have "hor friends" - there is no such thing!!! Wake up kid, The Matrix has you!!!!
 

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It sounds to me like this girl is just using you. You are her emotional tampon. She is banging some other guy and comes to you when he mistreats her or when she is feeling down. This girl does not give a damn about you. She is being way to flaky.


My advice is stop having oneitis for a girl that lives with a man, has a kid and treats you like garbage. BE A MAN. GROW A SET.. You sound worse than a 17 year old girl. Go out and get some girls and forget about her. Your better than that.


Sorry for being harsh but I am just being honest. You must help yourself before we can help you.


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Hi

Im ok if I dont see her, but when I see her the memories and feelinmgs come back. It will get easier in time, but any advice for switching off in my head.
She leaves without saying goodbye, but if i ignore her moans?If she can switch off this easy after she said she cares about me, then maybe she was being untruthful.

Any advice on getting her out my head, after I see her?
 
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