“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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Had a 1st date last night with a FORMER co worker. Dinner, non specific activity(kissed her during it), 2 walks in 2 seperate locations, movie at my place. She was down with every single thing I suggested, showed tons of interest. I get her to my place with the movie and we resume kissing only heavier than before. I progress to feeling her up..as my hands wonder down to her crotch she pulls it back up saying something about her aunt flo...or not yet blah blah blah. I stop escalating for a bit, we go back at a lil later...she hints around to wanting to stay or at least sleep a few hours here.

I'm like cool whatever, not perplexed about getting laid or anything because I feel it's in the bag by her interest, eventually. So we lay down and I get to progress a bit more, more touching and so forth and get the usual bit about wanting to SOOO bad. I understand she doesn't want to give it up on the 1st date and appear slutty...I get it and have come to accept that, it's par for the course in my dating experiences.

What I don't get is this, I'm sure there is something I could be doing or not doing to entice women in the beginning to be the instigators...right? I'm kind of bored of the same ol' formula...go out x amount of times, get her alone, with ME doing all the groping, her getting to temporarily reject me because of how soon it is, then eventually on the 2nd or 3rd date we get it in BUT with me once again getting things started by groping/kissing/whatever. By the time she comes over and has it decided in her head that she will **** us THAT night, what do YOU guys do in that situation if you think she's mentally there.

Like tonight, she invited herself over again hinting around at wanting to stay again already. I know she's either mentally there tonight or 1 night off. Should I not touch her tonight? I mean I want her to kinda have to beg for it or be all over me, I'm bored with the same ol' routine of escalation that I've been doing and feel like there has to be something different to do when you have a woman at the point where you know the anti-slut image she's trying to portray is done with and she's ready to go.

Definitely a weak spot in my arsenal. Any tips?
 

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the problem you are having is you are trying to start the lawnmower without priming the little pushy button on the side of the engine enough times lol.

there is more to sex than a woman liking you contary to popular belief. it's the big part of the equation but it takes more than a woman thinking you are worth seeing to get over that hump.

i'm not saying you have to put on a circus act or a magic show but you aren't priming the pump. you are going through the motions and it's clear to her that the only thing you want to do is have sex and she knows that if she odes have sex with you under those conditions you will view her, just or unjustly as a skank.
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the way i look at sex when you first meet someone is that it's the natural occurance after you knock a woman's socks off.

like, the way you are going about it, the woman is thinking in his head "okay this guy really wants it and well.. okay i will fvck him to progress to the next stage, he seems to be worth that much" she knows this by your queues that you give, the grouping or what not.

and this is just how i would play it. i never have sex on the first date. i think since i have been grown i have only done it once. i don't like to beucse it's at least for me detrimnetal to long term frame.

what i want, my desired result that i want with a woman, is not just sex, but i want her begging for the ****. i want her to walk through the door one day and say look that's it strip get onthe bed and pull it out right now.. i want her to become obsessed about the thought of what iw oujld be like in bed.

so my approach is/would be totally different than what you are doing. i do a lot of push pull. lol actually i date very much like a woman does. i show interest, strong issue then pull back for a few days, dont' answer my phonje, show up show strong interest, etc, kiss her passionally, nibble on her neck, go ghost lol, kiss on her breats, give her a massage, say i have to go to work lol, go ghost lol, the **** is funny hell to me and i don't really give a **** if i have sex wtih you or not i'm spinnig plates i'm having plenty of sex just not with you yet.

after a few weeks of this she will hit aboiling point to where she will fvck your brains out and she can't take it anymore.

what i would do if i were you is i would let her come over, watch a TV show or something tell her you really wanted to see her becuase she seems like someone you want to get to know (those exact words, do not use any other, trust me), but you have something to do very early so she can't stay long. keep it at an hour. call her 3 days later take her out to do something, keep it at an hour or two , go ghost

the trick is to not just No contact, that's half of it the real trick is that when you are with them you have to give them an overwheling sense that you really really are into them so they can't say that he is just beingt aloof/ doesn't like me

i remember i got beth so hot up for it after a few weeks of this she came over my house one night and said look backbreaker, i want to fvck the **** out of you. i will let you do ANYTIHNG you can think of to me as long as i can have sex with you to night. lol so we had sex on the balcony lol outside, she was starch ass naked.
 

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backbreaker said:
what i want, my desired result that i want with a woman, is not just sex, but i want her begging for the ****. i want her to walk through the door one day and say look that's it strip get onthe bed and pull it out right now.. i want her to become obsessed about the thought of what iw oujld be like in bed.
To summarize my post, this is what I want. I eventually get to the point where I get the sex and sometimes a relationship ensues....sometimes during the relationship I am always the aggressor and I hate that. Even a man needs to feel desired. So I was curious if what I was doing from the very onset was leading to this and how to rectify it. I will definitely FORCE myself to try your suggestions. And I do mean force because it's so on tonight....I would definitely be saying no to a sure lay but I want what you described.
 

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words cannot possibly desibe how pissed i am right now i typed a long ass post and like one sentence from being done, i accidently deleted the page. but the message is one where i am obligated to do such again.


i wil give you two prior scenerios

i met stephine while living in sarasota. we went out on a date. we had som much fun on the date we deicded to go for drinks at the tiki hut. she invited herself in my apartment and not 5 mintues later we are in the bed going at it. mind blowing, kinky sex. at least 3 hours. anal the whole bit.

a few days later she wanted to see me and we go out again and i'm thinking okay now sex time and she pulls back. she had caught a case of feelings. she liked me. she wanted me to see her as more as the girl who will let me fvck her brains out. lol i wanted to fvck her brains out. she would try to do girlfriendly stuff with me and while i dind't mind i still wanted to have sex. but she knew she had over played her hand way too quick now i expected sex and sex often.

because i got pissed off that she was not giving it up we stoppped talking. she would not give it up beucase she did not want me to see her as a ***** she wanted me to see her as GF material. she REALLY liked me you can tell with her time around me she was reawlly into me and wanted me to like her.

nothing was relaly wrong with her, we just had a mis understanding that could not be articulated.

it's like if i gave my son a bag full of recess pieces after dinner tonight, lol i just can't go back to giving him bananas lol. it doesn't work like that. now he is going to expect the recess. dammit daddy give me the good **** stop playing around. WTF i want with this banana when you have all those delicious recces pieces up there gimmie! \

and i mean, to this day she is either the first or 2nd best lay i have ever had that girl could work her way around a bed. god damn. tori lane elite level ***** in bed. could ride a **** like nothing i have ever seen, would let me ran it in her ass as hard as i wanted. just unreal in bed. you can't go back from that lol. the whole time i'm like yeah you are a great gal now let's get to the real **** lol. i want the tori lane girl back and she did not want me to see her as the tori lane girl


i met my wife on the other hand, a week after my birthday which is june 17th. we went on a date at the beach 2 days later. 90 mintues or so. i could tell i liked her and i could tell she liked me. we clicked. we kissed. we petted a little. nothing too serious but we started rubbing and getting closer to each other.

she committed to me later that she was interged by the fact that she was ovbiously interested in me and yet i still cut the date off beucase most guys would stick around long enough to hope "something happened". she said this really peeked her interest, though it was alrfeady peeked.

so about 4 days later, i have this sudden urge to hit the bowling alleyand i call her and say hey babe put on some jeans we are going bowling. she says okay we go bowling she turns out to be a pretty good bowler we have fun. we kiss a few times. i can tell she is really coming around to the idea of me. so i try to take her home and in the car she tells me that she really doesn't want to go home. right then what she was really telling me was to fvck her. but i wasn't going ot that night. she wasn't where i wanted her yet. and i knew i liked this one enough to that it was going to be worth the wait. so i take her to my house. let her see my crib, we kill a bottle of wine, i play the piano for her, i let her see my dog, etc. i take her home 2 hours later after some very very heavy petting, we were basically in the bed and i had her shirt off. even though she seemed disappointed i took her home.

4th of july she invites me to her friends BBQ and i go. she is all over me. sittting in my lap and keep in mind she's 3 inches taller than me. we are kissing, rubbing on each other. she is very happy and very into me. she is kissing me in my ear and kissing me on my neck. lol she's trying ot prime ME up. so the fire works start and it's a non stop making out session. i look her in the eyes and tell her that i really really am into her and i really like her. and honeslty i meant it. i really did. not enough to stop spininig paltes but enhough to where i could see i really did like her and i knew she had some serious potential with me. when i told her i was going to take her home she had this look on her face like WTF man lol. FVCK mE!

i had to go out of town for a week and not 1 hour back she calls and wants to see me. we go out to eat. again all over me. tells me she misses me. we are kissing we go back to her place, we end up in her bed, she's naked and partically begging me to put it in. i'm playing with her, and kissing on her but i had not hit the gym in a week at that time becuase i was out of town and i was not going to allow myself to miss another day of the gym so icalled it a night and went home so i could get to bed.

the plan at that point was to go about 3 more days, bring her over and finally close the day. she was begging for it and it was that time. she wasn't having none of it. she shows up the next day at about 6:30, mind you i didn't even invite her over she invited herself over lol with nite bag in toe. i asked her what that was for she said she is spending the night. she had made up her mind she was going to fvck me rather i wanted to or not lol.

she cooks for me lol i know now she has like 3 go to meals that she can cook but she really can't cook, this was one of those go to meals lol, after we are done she goes in my bedroom and cuts on my shower and comes out naked, grabs me, pulls off my clothes and drags me into the shower and we wash each other. we dry off and hop right in the bed and go at it. we had to have sex at least 5 times that night. she wore my ass out.

i got her to the point where she litearlly could not take the suspense of waiting aorund anymore she had to have it. that to me is much more exciting than just having sex on the first/ second ate. i want them begging for it. she told me that the entire week i was gone all she could think about is what having sex would be like with me. then it went from wondering to fantizing. while i was gone like that' sall she could talk about to her friends. why won't back breaker have sex with me. is he gay? is he dating someone else? is he a virgin? something isn't right. i want him to fvck me, i am giving him all the signs, he won't do it! is he attracted to me? her and her friends had a pow wow about it and they were all dumbfounded it becuase it was quite clear by our actions we were into each other. the only conculsion they could come to was that i was afraid to have sex. and if i was afraid to have sex that means i was probably not having a lot of sex which means i was single (i bull **** you not this is verbatium what my wife told me they said. this is exactly how women think)

but the whole point, i have occupied her mind by now. i'm all she can think about. me, why can't she fvck me. why won't i fvck her.

that tought me a lesson that i had known but did not really know how to put into words ijnto then.

men, get off on SEX.

women get more about thinking about / fantizing about sex then they do the actual sex.

this is why i never agree with the 2nd/3red date fvck or bye crowd they are so short sighted. i want to win the war not to battle.

and my wife is not the only girl i did that to that was pretty much how i rolled for the most part. that was just the best and most ovbious example.
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see when start seeing a woman, she has the power or so she thinks. she has the pvssy and the options for ****. if YOU want this you have to make HER happy. the hotter the woman the worse this is. the more she gets hit ont he worse she is. but every woman you can break em down. even like, my wife is 5'11. she "doesn't like short men". never dated a guy that was shorter then her. when we first met she said that that was her only real objection to me but she figured she'd go have fun/ give me a shot anyway. by date 2 she had fortotten all about her short guy issue (i'm not a midget i'm 5'8). lol wehn she gets mad at me she will call me a short bastard or something lol but it's not a serious issue. but by priming her and pushing and pulling you get her to think about you and fanatize about you, now you have the power.

i will not fvck a woman until i have the power. i want her begging for the ****. it's not up to her rather or not we fvck it's up to me.

and honestly, 4 years later, now husband and wife.. i bull **** you not the frame really has not changed at all. unless it's aunt flo time i can count on one hand the times i've been turned down for sex and eveyr time there was a reason why usually i had pissed her off for some reason lol. she still very much is into me and wants it. i for the most part decide when we have sex or not and whenever i decide we have sex she's ready to roll like a true solider lol.
 

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What you're seeking, OP, is the art of seduction.
I agree with backbreaker, act as though sex is the last thing on your mind but the whole time, your words and actions are slowly working her into a frenzy.
The key is to make her laugh, a lot, challenge her, playfully call her out in any bullsht, be suggestive without being overtly sleazy.
Kiss her and then pull back - ie go get another drink or some other excuse.
If you get your hands on her, kiss her passionately, hold her tight, nibble on her neck and earlobes (do NOT stick your tongue in her ear), touch her breasts, squeeze her butt, get her primed.
All these little steps should increase her desire and lower her inhibitions.

Just last week, this girl followed me home from my local takeaway shop and gave me her number.
Four days later, after a few of the tips I described above, she's standing in my loungeroom saying: "I'm not usually this forward (yeah...right) but I really want to have sex with you."
She was filthy, a bit like backbreaker's girl. Was up for anything, let me finish on her face porn star style.
Alcohol was involved so that's another tip, they don't call booze "leg opener" for nothing.
Give her a few drinks to loosen her up but don't act as though you're trying to get her drunk. That's a big no-no.
Good luck. Keep us posted!
 

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First off BB, thanks for retyping your thoughts. Epic ****in' post man. I get it...as far as having the patience to execute it is something all together different.

How did you ever come to realize this was the way to go? Clearly at an earlier stage, per your post, you were the opposite way or was it that experience that led you to change?

GP, I did and do all those things. I'm a great kisser, I've been told by like 90 percent of the girls I've kissed. And there is no doubt eventually I will bed this one but like I said I want what BB describes and partially what you did. The whole, "I want to have sex with you right now" thing...and I want to continue with that frame as I tend to get into relationships fairly easy....if I choose to be available to the girls I mess with.

Tonight she was over, she had to work super early so she had her out(which shoulda been mine). She came over in PJ type stuff so I thought hmmm that might be her out to NOT go home...but no overnight bag unless it was in her car. We put in a movie, again with the kissing/petting...again with the mild resistance of getting too heavy....again with the I soooo wanna stay and break my rules. I didn't push too hard to change her mind, I know it's coming...but dammit I want her to be all over me and not the other way around. I did not end the night super early but more or less agreed with her it would be best if she went home because of the work situation.

I'm thinking to get her where I need her I need to shorten the next encounter dramatically and make sure I end it. politely of course and keeping up the same interest level. Something to reframe this because it's obvious she wants it, but obvious I want it more...an erection kinda exemplifies that lol.

Anyway thanks for the suggestions thus far.
 

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disgustipated said:
First off BB, thanks for retyping your thoughts. Epic ****in' post man. I get it...as far as having the patience to execute it is something all together different.

How did you ever come to realize this was the way to go? Clearly at an earlier stage, per your post, you were the opposite way or was it that experience that led you to change?



Anyway thanks for the suggestions thus far.
it was not something i set out to do it just happened by deafult of me learning how to spin plates. Once i found out how to talk to women or got over my fear of rejection and had mutliple women on my tail the entire nature of the game changes.

when i was 21 and really started spinning plates foreal for the first time and I met Amber and I knew i kinda liked amber but at the same time i was always doing something or going out with someone and i was really starting to have a lot of sex. usually 2-3 times a week and had various backup plans if i really wanted to get some or what not.

So even though I liked amber we would go out and moret imes than not i had just had sex within the last 24-48 hours it really isn't that big of a deal at that point. if we have sex great if not fvck it. But at the same time I really did like her but even when she would make it clear that she wanted me to proceed for like the first 3 weeks we saw each other i was just not really in the mood beucase i was getting alot of it already.

the more i put it off the more i noticed she would start to press and how the tables turned. by 3 weeks end she realized she had zero power over me and she didn't like it. by the time we finally had sex you couldn't wipe the smile off that girl's face she was so happy and had went from this smoking hot coke bottle body girl to this little puppy dog who came whenever i called it. she was so happy that whenever i wanted it she was more than happy to oblige. I called her one friday night like at 2:30am just to talk to her and i told her i wanted to see her just messing around and she was like okay let me put on some clothes here i come lol, in the middle of a thunderstorm. you don't get that type of behavior from a woman who is rationing out the *****.

Stephanie was more of the exception to the rule. she had a body i just really wanted to see naked. plus i could tell she was not relationshi material off the bat but still wanted to **** her and if i know you aren't relationship material at all there is no point for me to play any games.

every woman is different you have to figure out what is extreme for each woman. Mille my wife has a busy life and if she didn't hear from me for a few days she would not make a big deal out of it she had **** to do. Amber on the other hand really didn't have a life and if i went 4 days without contacting her i would have 50 freaking voice mails on my phone so with her i would not really go ghost i would call her when i was driving home from work to my house which was like a 6 mintue drive and talk to her and then tell her i woudl call her bakc and just not lol. i could do that for 3-4 days before i had to make time to see her. you have to figure out what is the extreme you can take each woman to and take her right to the jumping off point and pull her right back.
 
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