Need some thoughts here...

[Omen]

So I was gaming this girl i've known a bit right, and at first I tried to play the somewhat nice guy in the sense of not seeming too ****y or any of that for fear of this particular girl. I felt like I would have scared her, so I tried to balance everything as best as I could. Anyway I told her I liked her and then she tossed back the your a nice guy and I dont think you and me could ever be involved like that. I consider you one of my good friends and would never want to mess that up.

So after that I dug deep in the memory of Sosuave and tried to turn that around real quick while I could. I realized... if I did it right, I would be able to turn it around.

So instead of being like... Well ok, I see your point and being an AFC about it, I took out the big guns.

I did the ****y, confident and everything Pook said in his man post. I explained how I REALLY was, and that the truth was I wanted her, and that i'm not going to apologize for that, and that yeah i'm confident and go after what I want.

Basically said... You know, I should have flirted with another girl cause you probably weren't worth my time anway.

After that, she TOTALLY switched gears. You know, you're mean, and pretty ****y. Just admit it, you are. I was like the truth... Yeah, i'm ****y, and funny and all of that, and that is part of my charisma and if you dont like it too bad.

She then said.... wow...I like the honesty....you are pretty ****y. I was like yep, and I dont need to prove myself to you anyway. It should be the other way around.

Now make note this is the first time i've really changed gears on a woman and really been like this. So actually talking and being like this was new and I said... I've got to follow what everyone says and just do it.

So she then said... How do I prove myself? So went on and on for a bit and she started to withdraw what she said originally. I think she just thought I may be too weak, and I almost screwed that up.

She was like... You cant handle me. I told her I handled girl like her years ago, and that she'd be cake.

Needless to say, I caught everything in time and turned it around, but I realized you have to do it the moment you realize you screwed up or you are done for.

This girl seems to now WANT ME, because she feels like she is getting a prize.

Now here is where the tricky part comes in. She randomly texts me this.... "Do you believe in saving sex for marriage?"

Now this can go 2 ways, and I am totally at loss for why the sudden question.

1. No I think you should just have sex if you are attracted to someone. I'm a guy i'm full of testosterone.

She may say.... I was hoping you didnt say that. This is a catholic girl, though they are not all like that, but 99% are really skanky where I live. So she may be like sweet, maybe we can do the no strings attached deal and just have sex.

2. Yeah I believe in saving sex for marriage because those are my religious beliefs and I stick to those.

She may say... Whew, I was hoping you'd say that, but I figured i'd be wrong by a long shot and that you've slept with many women. This is why I said in the beginning we could never work. I figured you may have been a man *****. :nervous: Or it may be like... Ok, cause I thought you may be that type of guy, and I HAVE TO HAVE SEX in a relationship, so if that's the case, that's why we cant date.

Now one of those answers is true, and I was like... Dont you think that question is a little personal since I am not dating you? I mean that was just random and out of know where.

I need to find a way to really ask her WHY she is so interested. She obviously has a good reason to ask, but she wont say. I cant remember any woman in my life to just randomly ask that out of the blue.

The right/wrong answer could determine whether or not she shows more interest in me.

I feel like i'm royally fvcked.

 

[thedeparted]

That is cool that you turned it around. If she texted you with the word SEX in it that is a good sign. But I don't know what you say to that.

 

[guru1000]

You have too much EMOTIONAL STOCK in this girl. You have not even slept with her.

You SHOULD not worry about the right/wrong answer. She is qualifying you which is WRONG< WRONG< WRONG.

You NEED to QUALIFY her.

The problem here is your C & F is not truly you. It was an ACT based on what would POOK do. How long do you think before she sees through this little charade?

I want you to remember this. If you CARE this much about a girl you are not intimate with, more often than not, you will lose her.

Men with options do not DWELL on women they are not either INTIMATE or EXCLUSIVE with.

The reason why I am very successful is i dont INVEST any STOCK into a particular women until I have a vested interest (Exclusivity). Being I am GENUINE in not DESIRING, these women pick that right up. This is KEY.

You cannot follow the road map. BE THE ROAD MAP.

 

[Omen]

That is cool that you turned it around. If she texted you with the word SEX in it that is a good sign. But I don't know what you say to that.

Yeah, I was like...sh*t I read this girl wrong, and had to pull a 180 real quick. Then it all seemed to go just great. She was like... Yeah well I cook great meals and give sensual bubblebaths, and she rattled on and on about why she was awesome. I was like... So what. I cook too, and what's a little water and bubbles? A 5yr old can make a bubble bath. The just cant light candles.

I know she used the word SEX, but if she truly is saving herself for marriage, then obviously she has her reason to question. I cant decipher her, and I dont think she can decipher me either. I should just straight up ask her.... Do you believe in saving sex for marriage? Then see if she answers, or says... I asked you first.

 

[Omen]

You have too much EMOTIONAL STOCK in this girl. You have not even slept with her.

You SHOULD not worry about the right/wrong answer. She is qualifying you which is WRONG< WRONG< WRONG.

You NEED to QUALIFY her.

The problem here is your C & F is not truly you. It was an ACT based on what would POOK do. How long do you think before she sees through this little charade?

I want you to remember this. If you CARE this much about a girl you are not intimate with, more often than not, you will lose her.

Men with options do not DWELL on women they are not either INTIMATE or EXCLUSIVE with.

The reason why I am very successful is i dont INVEST any STOCK into a particular women until I have a vested interest (Exclusivity). Being I am GENUINE in not DESIRING, these women pick that right up. This is KEY.

You cannot follow the road map. BE THE ROAD MAP.

The C+F is really me, but I just wasnt as blunt. I just never used it to the extent I did cause I never had to. I thought she might really think I am a D*CK, so I had to tweak. I just didnt tweak enough.

So I need to qualify her then, in asking HER the question.

I get your point on the INVEST & STOCK deal.

 

[guru1000]

The C+F is really me, but I just wasnt as blunt. I just never used it to the extent I did cause I never had to. I thought she might really think I am a D*CK, so I had to tweak. I just didnt tweak enough.

:thumbs up:

Always BE YOU. The women will change, but you remain the same.

BTW,

When a woman thinks or says you are the ****IEST guy she ever met; she is really into you. This is a rule of thumb for the hb7-10.

 

[Omen]

:thumbs up:

Always BE YOU. The women will change, but you remain the same.

BTW,

When a woman thinks or says you are the ****IEST guy she ever met; she is really into you. This is a rule of thumb for the hb7-10.

That's good then. I was like... I go after what I want, and I wanted you, so I went after you. I wanted a Mustang when I was 16. I've owned 4 of them.

I wanted to start a business, and when I was 21, I did. I am on to starting my second one now. I said.... If I wasnt ****y, funny, or most important, confident, I wouldn't be where I am. Yeah I am confident because you HAVE to be to start a business. You also have to be a risk taker.

 

[thedeparted]

Can't you just go back to the bubble bath thing and tell her you're making a reservation for x night, you want the tub to be between 97 and 104 degrees, medium bubbles, and a (whatever) martini etc. I mean, just close the deal and forget about that text msg. If she brings it up, you'll be like -- you're gonna have to get me really drunk to talk about the M word. Or something like that.

 

[guru1000]

Her: GURU, you are so ****y.

Me: That's because I am. I am well behaved now, wait till I let loose. You better step up to the plate, I get bored easily

 

[Omen]

Can't you just go back to the bubble bath thing and tell her you're making a reservation for x night, you want the tub to be between 97 and 104 degrees, medium bubbles, and a (whatever) martini etc. I mean, just close the deal and forget about that text msg. If she brings it up, you'll be like -- you're gonna have to get me really drunk to talk about the M word. Or something like that.

I kind of like that. :crackup:

She did tell me she is good at homemade cooking, so I said this morning in a text... Did you cook me breakfast this morning?

Kind of hard to forget that txt message since it was just random. And yeah I may like to be exclusive with this one, but i'll try to forget it and go... Oh crap, I forgot we even talked about that if she brings it up again.

 

[thedeparted]

It sounds good to me. A couple notes:

1. Don't think about the exclusive thing for now. It will mess up your game.

2. End the text msg now and switch to another medium. Like use the phone, setup the date, etc. Keep the ball moving fwd.

 

[woods]

If she brings up the sex/marriage thing; ask her if she's a virgin. I'm guessing no.

A good answer to the sex question is "I believe sexual chemistry is an important part of marriage. Why get married if we're not compatible in EVERY way?"

 

[Omen]

If she brings up the sex/marriage thing; ask her if she's a virgin. I'm guessing no.

A good answer to the sex question is "I believe sexual chemistry is an important part of marriage. Why get married if we're not compatible in EVERY way?"

I think she is asking because one day in person we were talking after work and I had mentioned some relationships and she was like.... You're a man ***** aren't you? I was like... NO, i'm just quite a bit older than you, so i've had more girlfriends.

And then the night she asked the above question I asked her if she was being serious with the question, or if she was being nosy. She said.... A little of both.

I personally find this question odd for someone to ask out of the blue when you were never even talking about things of the sort.

My honest guess would be that she actually is waiting for marriage, so that is why she asked. She may want to be like... Ok, and that is why I said we would never work out. So she is being curious so she can have her answer.

And my question to her about it would be like... Wait a minute, you are asking ME that question? Afterall, you went to a high school where most of you women had bad reputations and were pretty slutty if I recall, and are probably all alike. I'm not saying you are like them, but you get what I am saying since you went to that school. Most of you women are seen like that in most people's eyes. So why dont I ask YOU that question.

She'd get a bit defensive, but since I know her, it would easily be followed by... I get your point.

But the reason it seems odd, is that I would assume most women would be like...So what do you think about sex in a relationship? Should it happen soon, after months, or what.

I haven't heard one ask the question I stated. Now I am sure they are out there as I found out, but it was just so random and quick I didnt understand her reasoning behind it.

 

[Colossus]

The sex before marriage question is a massive sh!t test.

Regardless of her religious convictions, if she really wants you she is going to sleep with you. Dont ever tailor your response based on what you think she may want to hear.

My guess is she was going to judge you by your response; i.e.--if you said "no, i believe if you are into a person then have sex", she would probably assume you are just after her as$. Women love and want sex just as much as we do (albiet not as frequently), but when you are gaming a girl they will almost always try and ascertain whether or not you are just trying to slip them the wood. The absolute last thing a girl wants to be seen as is a slvt. Yeah, sometimes they do just want to bang, but she was definitely qualifying you with that message.

I would have said "That's a personal question. You'll have to get to know me better before I will answer that."

But good reversal on her 'nice guy' card.

 

[Colossus]

I think she is asking because one day in person we were talking after work and I had mentioned some relationships and she was like.... You're a man ***** aren't you?

I fvcking HATE that question. I will try and respond with something so sarcastic that they will never ask that childish crap again.

Her: "you're a man-hor arent you?"
Me: "Yes, absolutely. I'll fvck anything with more than one leg and a pulse. You better lock your dog/cat/bird up or i might fvck them too."

OR..

Her: "you're a man-hor arent you?"
Me: "Would you find it rude if I asked you if you were a slvt?"

And i would be dead serious.

 

[DavenJuan]

i think the simple answer to the OP question is the truth. you being honest.

what is the reason to elaborate on such a question?

you are subconsiously putting her on a pedastel by even assuming that this answer holds the key to if "YOU" can get with her.

stop "playing" the role and start actually living it

why does so many poster strive to ACT like a DJ instead of striving to become one??

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

....I need to find a way to really ask her WHY she is so interested. She obviously has a good reason to ask, but she wont say. I cant remember any woman in my life to just randomly ask that out of the blue...

Just reply "That's an interesting question. Let's get together later and you can tell me why you asked. When are you free?" If she can't (or won't) explain why she's curious take it as a hint about how she operates and decide whether or not she's worth the effort. It's all about qualifying.