"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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So, I've posted several times recently on this forum on this girl who I have serious one-itis for. Her IL was really high for me a month or so ago and now has plummeted. She went from texting me multiple times a day to barely texting me at all. Sadly, I've only gotten her to make out with me for a minute after 6-7 dates and only had brief kisses since the makeout session. I am sure this thing with her is over and I am really having a problem getting over her because I need some serious closure. She needs to tell me she's not interested or tell me she's seeing another guy or tell me she's sleeping with the entire Lakers basketball team or she only likes black **** or SOMETHING. I need to have it out with her so I am SURE it's dead and not go through this "just maybe..." nonsense in my head. I'm not sure why. I need it to end in that way so I can mourn it and move on. She called me last Saturday and I was trying to setup a date with her when her phone cut out. I texted her to tell her to call me later to setup a date and she agreed. She made me wait through four days of silence and finally called me today. Like an idiot, I set it up for the day after tomorrow. One thing I am ashamed of is that I did not try to push hard for sex or oral or SOMETHING before getting the axe. It may of failed but at least I could be sure it wasn't something she would have done with me. So, my plan is to tell her I just want to chill at her place with a movie and I'll bring some drinks (though she will barely ever finish even a glass). I'll make a move on her and if she pushes me off, I'll have it out with her and end it.

In the meantime, I've met two other women (HB7 and HB8). I have a date with the HB8 the next night.

So, it seems very unlikely that this girl of apparent low IL will let me push things that far with her. I suspect she is seeing another guy. If she lets me come over to her place and chill, how do you guys suggest I optimize my chances of getting the most out of her sexually?
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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"watch a movie" means make out in chickspeak. She won't agree if she does not want something physical.

She needs to tell me she's not interested or tell me she's seeing another guy or tell me she's sleeping with the entire Lakers basketball team or she only likes black **** or SOMETHING. I need to have it out with her so I am SURE it's dead and not go through this "just maybe..." nonsense in my head.

Feeling this way is normal, but if you let her know that you do, you screw your chances. Don't ask, and act like it has never occurred to you to care. That's the opposite of what you feel like doing, but it is what will work the best.

I'm not sure why

Because you're a guy and that's how we are. Why do women go from being crazy about you one minute to avoiding you like the plague the next minute without giving you any honest explanation at all? Because they're women, and that's how they are. They follow their feelings, which shift like the wind. Even they can't explain it.
 

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Read the Anti-Dump series, and your entire life will become clear:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39729
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39769
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39785
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39887
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39888
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=40188
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=40241
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=40347
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=40698
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=58363

If you're looking for a solid relationship, the above links are the way to go about life.

If you're just looking for a ONS then that's another thing. But if you're just looking for sex, then you've already made the stupid mistake of getting oneitis for a hor.

Figure out what it is you want, and go about it the right way.
 

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Bible_Belt said:
Feeling this way is normal, but if you let her know that you do, you screw your chances. Don't ask, and act like it has never occurred to you to care. That's the opposite of what you feel like doing, but it is what will work the best.
Well, I'm not planning to ask her straight out why her IL has been dropping. I plan to try to do as much as I can with her physically\sexually. But, if she rejects me, why shouldn't I have it out with her and end it in the most definitive way possible?
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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the only reason not to is that she might tell her friends what a loser/b@stard you are. Then it might hurt your reputation
 

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Obsidian said:
the only reason not to is that she might tell her friends what a loser/b@stard you are. Then it might hurt your reputation
I dont really have a relationship with her friends and our social circles are not related at all. Not a problem :)
 

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if she rejects me, why shouldn't I have it out with her and end it in the most definitive way possible?

When you let her see that she has gotten under your skin, then she wins, no matter what you say. The more you tell her off, the more you lose. Walk away smiling without saying a harsh word or showing any emotion, and then live well as the best revenge.
 

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So, let's say I go in for a kiss and she turns her cheek. Or let's say she doesn't feel the same way or she doesn't want feel like doing anything tonight. At this point, given the very low IL she's been showing me for weeks and a poor outcome of my advance, should I just say "Okay, have a nice life", smile and walk out of her apartment???
 

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no..


Some girls just arent sluts.

JESUS CHRIST.

Not every girl will kiss on the first date. or fuk u in the first week or 2.

it has nothing to do with interest level.... but just their standards. And ur game too.

U got weak game then it will take u a while.. u got ur game on lock then it wouldnt happen. So blame urself.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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What the hell are you talking about? It's been almost three months now and we're on date 8 or 9 now. I never said anything about f-ing her necessarily. But, I should be able to do more than get a little peck on the lip. Doing any more than give me a peck on the lips after 3 freakin months does not make her a SLUT. Where the hell do these people come from?
 

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You are right to be impatient by this point. She is playing you.

should I just say "Okay, have a nice life", smile and walk out of her apartment???

Try, "I'll call you tomorrow." That one's a classic. Then don't, ever.
 

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ARe you talking about me? WHERE "These" people come from?

HMMmmm FIRST OFF i garauntee I PIMP more than you do.

So you betta take my advice up tha ass ya digg.

And turning the cheek doesnt mean to tell her have a nice life is wat im saying moron.

You really need to pay attention and get yo pink crayon out and take notes while i take tokes of dis .. ANYWAYS........ Seriously u aint in the position to question my authority.
 

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DJorBUST you say you want to know what's going on and get out of the "just maybe" mindset.Then just ****1ng escalate.
 

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GloriouslyInsane said:
DJorBUST you say you want to know what's going on and get out of the "just maybe" mindset.Then just ****1ng escalate.
Exactly. This girl has known me for awhile now. She is indeed playing me. Whether she's playing me for attention, free dates, to get me hooked on her or some combination of the above is hard to tell. What I need to do is escalate this and see her reaction. Then we can cut through the B.S.

DonDan, the only thing I "digg" from your post is that a seven year old can apparently get on the internet and make up any personality he wants. Ya digg? Now stick a pink crayon up yo ass and paint me a portrait, b*tch.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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