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She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

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Alright, heres the deal...
I met this really cute girl last week.... Just approached her for a minute to get her number... Called her yesterday (its been 3 days since i got the number) around 8:30pm, her friend picks up and tells me that shes out shopping for a little bit... So I ask when I should call back and her friend says "about 20 minutes". I reply stating that Ill call back in half an hour....
Then I had things to do and couldnt call her her for 2 hours, so when I called around 10:30pm she didnt pick up... Today I didnt have time to call her either...
So my question is: did I really fvck up big time by not calling back in half an hour or is it alright?
I just dont want to call her again and come across her voicemail....
Thanks...
 

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I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

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Ask yourself the question if you would be keen to meet a perfect stranger who got your number? Getting numbers quick usually also means getting alot of bad numbers.

If she was interested she would have answered if her phone was nearby.
 

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But at this point I havent done much to make her not interested in me... Besides, when I talked to her friend, I thought that I presented myself as an interesting person (and Im sure, if a friend has a good opinion about me, then the girl herself will be interested).....
 

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No, you didn't fuck up at all by not calling back.. You shouldn't call exactly when you say you are going to, you should be busy.

Try again in a couple of days, don't bring it up at all, and if she does just say you got busy and forgot.
 

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I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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Phone tag happens. Try a few times and if it becomes too impossible to get her then either leave a message and leave it up to her to contact you or just move on.
 

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dude, just give up...you obviously did not meet her standards and she will not bother calling you. sorry about that man, its happened to me all the time. If she was really that infatuated with you, her friend would not have picked up her cell phone.

next her and forget about it...
 

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Thanks for the responses, Ill try to call her again and go from there....
The reason I decided to bring up this topic is because thats pretty much where most of my serious interactions with girls end: phone calls. I was just wondering if I am doing anything wrong, because most of the times I get phone numbers, the girls dont pick up their phones and thats where it ends...
 

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yeah, i ran into a girl at work at my university, chatted her up, and got her number, i didnt even call her, but I dont think that even phased her out at all because she doesnt even say look in my direction at work anymore. Its like she knows i have dealt out my cards, and now she is playing it cool to downplay any kind of misunderstanding she may have caused with her body language that would have made me assume she was interested...


dont bother man, if she doesnt call you back in 3 days after you called her TWICE without answer, take the hint and just move on
 

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next time you are interacting with a chick, let her ask for your number, if she is interested she will let you know she wants to meet again. trust me on this, EVERY single number i have acquired the girl has flaked on me. basically you are laying your cards out on the table, and now she holds the power in what happens next. for me it has just gotten to a point where i will be talking to a girl and know she is not interested because she just wont ask for it, to the girls i dont really like at all offering me their phone number or asking for mine.

or you should focus more on f-closing same day and stay away from the phone numbers.
 

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Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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hmm. sounds logical. all i have to say is that life in unfair. others and i myself consider myself good-looking (i always had success at modeling/tv castings and such) and i know how to dress/groom well, but it hasnt led me anywhere. i dont have many problems talking to girls now and i can carry on a fun and interesting conversation. i know if a girl likes me, but ALL girls that were interested in me, I was not interested in. i know im very picky, but cmon, i feel like i can easily get at least an 8, but it never happens. and thats pretty much the reason why i ended up on this board.
at this point, im very confused about the reason i cant succeed with girls.
 

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Originally posted by boroda
Alright, heres the deal...
I met this really cute girl last week.... Just approached her for a minute to get her number... Called her yesterday (its been 3 days since i got the number) around 8:30pm, her friend picks up and tells me that shes out shopping for a little bit... So I ask when I should call back and her friend says "about 20 minutes". I reply stating that Ill call back in half an hour....
Then I had things to do and couldnt call her her for 2 hours, so when I called around 10:30pm she didnt pick up... Today I didnt have time to call her either...
So my question is: did I really fvck up big time by not calling back in half an hour or is it alright?
I just dont want to call her again and come across her voicemail....
Thanks...
Okay...let's say a girl you didn't even really know called you while you had run out to the store and told your buddy she'd call back in 30 minutes. So 9pm on that weeknight comes and goes and she doesn't call back. Let's say you have to get up early for work or school and go to bed at 10pm. The phone rings at 10:30pm on a week night. You're in bed. This person you didn't even know first didn't call back when they said they would and then called late on a week night instead. (Very rude) How impressed would you be with that person?
 

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Re: Re: Need advice....

Originally posted by Wyldfire
Okay...let's say a girl you didn't even really know called you while you had run out to the store and told your buddy she'd call back in 30 minutes. So 9pm on that weeknight comes and goes and she doesn't call back. Let's say you have to get up early for work or school and go to bed at 10pm. The phone rings at 10:30pm on a week night. You're in bed. This person you didn't even know first didn't call back when they said they would and then called late on a week night instead. (Very rude) How impressed would you be with that person?
See, thats what I was concerned about... But then again, last night a person i dont know that well called me at 3am on a weeknight...
On the other hand, denying a person because of a late phone call does seem to be very b!tchy... Then again, I called her today around 6:30pm and she didnt pick up... Who knows, maybe I was going to redeem myself in a big way towards her....
 

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If you weren't going to make the time to call back in 30 minutes you should have just said you'd call back another time.
 

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Originally posted by boroda
Alright, heres the deal...
... So I ask when I should call back and her friend says "about 20 minutes". I reply stating that Ill call back in half an hour....
Then I had things to do and couldnt call her her for 2 hours, so when I called around 10:30pm she didnt pick up... Today I didnt have time to call her either...
So my question is: did I really fvck up big time by not calling back in half an hour or is it alright?
I just dont want to call her again and come across her voicemail....
Thanks...
Dont sweat the small stuff....

Call 1 chick,
Call 2
3,
4,
by #5, it's small stuff...
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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