"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I mean I was rubbing on her pvssy. and we were making out but she shut down everything I did like everything she just wasn't having it she was holding my hand and cuddling with me all night very annoying.... did not pull my c0ck out no.

she's texting me now... telling me how she feels about her hangover etc should I withdraw attention
 
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“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Did you get your **** out?

Were you in bed clothed, set the scene for us, was she on her period? How drunk were you both? Did you get your **** out?
clothed yes. I was wasted like puked 10 minutes prior infront of her wasted surprised she even kissed me lol. did not pull it out
 

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I was wasted like puked 10 minutes prior infront of her wasted surprised she even kissed me lol.
your behaviour will kill anychance of you getting hot women, its nothing to do with looks

we didnt know this tbf to her, that you boffed infront her

however she is still controlling the frame

start listening to advice we are giving

reply to her " just off out, with some "friends", ill catch you tommorrow"

if she replies "WHO WITH WHAT YOU DOING ETC ETC "

you reply "haha didnt know you were a journalist for the national Gazette...

dont message her again after that
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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your behaviour will kill anychance of you getting hot women, its nothing to do with looks

we didnt know this tbf to her, that you boffed infront her

however she is still controlling the frame

start listening to advice we are giving

reply to her " just off out, with some "friends", ill catch you tommorrow"

if she replies "WHO WITH WHAT YOU DOING ETC ETC "

you reply "haha didnt know you were a journalist for the national Gazette...

dont message her again after that
thank you I will use this advice
 

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do not mention anything about your behaviour or sorry for puking

and i think you need a serious reframe/mindset/behaviour reset

im sure youll agree
 

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i do agree and I am trying to change. it's harder though when you like a girl for a guy like me. I need to start having multiple woman but goddamn is it hard I've never been a player so I'm completely changing how I approach woman and it feels so weird because it's the opposite of what I used to do.
 

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im on about you bumming fags and boffing up

this is not the behaviour of a DJ
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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well your behaviour is the reason you havent , im out of this convo now
 

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The girl is a tease if she'll kiss you after seeing you puke but not take the d!ck

That being said, you're a dumbazz for getting drunk til you're puking around women lol
 

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People need to ease up a bit. They forget that they were where you are once.

Boys will be boys. We've all drank far too much before. Big deal. It's a funny story.

I hear you. Growing up, i thought multi-dating was immoral, and most girls i had sex with became my girlfriend.

"Dating" was something for american tv shows, like friends or something. I thought it was a bit gay. Didn't understand it.

When you go from that, to changing things up, you can drink more on dates out of nerves. One time i'd started trying this SSRI pill, and drank really heavily on a date - mixing drinks. The girl was a c0cktail waitress before, and was very sensible with her drink. I was in the mood for a blowout. She was not amused lol

I ended up getting quite hammered, and a walk of shame to a trainstation. Then i proceeded to drunk text her embaressing stuff. Culminating in a night on my sofa throwing up all the drinks that i mixed. Never heard from that girl again. Still can't even tolerate the smell of cuban mojitos.

You live and learn.

Real scarcity is not being able to just laugh at stuff like that imo. People are very selective in the stories they tell to make themselves out to be a boss. Take it with a pinch of salt.

As for last minute resistance, sexual escalation, whatever, loads of great stuff around the web for that better than i could say in a post.

Just giving you perspective that this isn't such a big deal. You aren't some massive failure or anything. And it's just pretty funny tbh. Your game will get tighter in time, if you keep putting in the effort. Don't worry about it.
I think it wasn't the issue we've all been wrecked, its the issue that the truths kind of coming 4 pages in
 

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I'm not trying to blow smoke up yalls a$$ I just got on and started typing and just forgot to leave that part out.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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start practicing what were preaching then OP
Any hot women around start pacing your drink on bottles??

I say bottles because we generally drink pints in the UK and 8 pints would surefire guarantee a D4ck head move
 

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ok update: apparently this chick thinks I'm a "player" so I'm thinking this is why she held back on the sex because she didn't want to be used? I left my hat over there so at some point im gonna have to hit her up and go get it. I haven't talked to her since sat. I like the little communication it makes talking in person sooo much better because we don't know what each other Is up to.

my question is is her thinking I'm a player a bad or good thing?

bear with me I know some of my questions are stupid but I'm clueless when it comes to this stuff so I'm trying to soak up all the info I can
 

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It's a good thing, whatever you've done you've shown confidence that has lead her to think you're obviously good with women and have plenty on the go (oh if only she knew). I had girls saying to me "you must be talking to lots of girls" even at a time when I had 0 plates, just play it off, don't outright say "no I'm not a player" but also don't say "yes I have countless women" - just allude to it, say you're a confident, fun guy who gets along with everyone. That will shut them up on that subject.

Continue to play it cool and not desperate. Let her do all the work, she has already played around with you it's not your turn to win her over now, it's her turn.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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