"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Need Advice Badly-stuck In Tough Scenario

ostap1

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Ok so here is the scenario: This broad in my acting class gets my number and calls me that same night. But she has a boyfriend and she spends a good majority of time telling me that she hates when he doens't call and so on and I'm getting a good vibe like she wants to leave that guy. We keep talking the rest of the week and we decide to meet up last friday to hang out with my buddies in his frat house. We are drinking and having a good time and then she starts feeling sick so I take care of her all night and she is very grateful for it and I am thinking that I might be in. When I was taking care of her she had her head in my lap and I was stroking her body and I was beggining to think that this can actually lead somewhere. But then it fell through as drunk people starting approaching us and she started to feel better later on. But she seems very insecure about her appearence and has already dropped the "friend" bomb to me twice. Now I like her and realize that many relationships start out as friendships but her boyfriend is definatly in the way. He doesn't have a cell phone she keeps telling me that her biggest pet peeve is when people dont call her back. He is a bartender who I know is probably playing her like a game of chess.

So anyway earlier this week we are all set to study and all day she told me how she told him to **** off and that they are basically done. As she is coming over my place this broad is like "I feel kinda guilty coming over but we're just studying as friends" I'm like wtf? And she said that she just talked with him and that they're back on. So i'm like f that! We spend all night studying and I'm so pissed that she is starting to turn just into a "friend" that I couldn't concentrate at all. She calls and we talk all week, as I am still hoping for things to fail with them. So we went out again to Dave and Busters and we had fun and talked all about sex and what positions she likes but I still want to smash that and I'm hoping that she will leave that guy and I can be the rebound guy.

But you see fellas, this is a very delicate situation since I see her every week in class and the farthest we got was a hug. I don't know what to do. The obvious choice is to let her go and not talk to her for a while, but that is going to be impossible since we have class together and she still wants to study with me. Only known her for 2 weeks and she is telling me all this **** that I don't wanna hear like about her ****ing him and also how she thinks that she is fat and has cellulite. got a text from her the other day that says she is having problems and needs counceling. Man this is starting to get out of control but she has a bangin body with big titties and a nice ass and that's pretty much what has me hypnotised. She actually has a cool personality too. She has already called me her good friend and said that she care about me.

But I need advice as to my next step and what to do or say to get her out of that "friend" zone and into the friend with benefit zone,girlfriend zone, whatever. I don't want to be wasting my time and money if we're only going to be friends.Also as to how to convince her that her man is a jackass without be too blunt about it. But she really seems to like him a lot so this is goin gto be a tricky tough operation. I have never been in this situation before and I need all the help I can get. So please, anyone, advice, comments and suggestions are really appreciated.

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"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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I hate to be so cynical, but I've had a similar thing happen....and the "friendzone" (as opposed to actually being close to the person and there is attraction between you) which is what I think you're probably in, is impossible to get out of.

I would say next her. If you're fairly new to the game, nexting someone you're really into is hard....but now, for me personally, I probbably next between 5 and 10 potential prospects for every girl I sleep with. It really is a numbers game man.
 

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Is 1 piece of ass worth that much trouble? It wouldn't be if you'd focus on other girls...

I would say you have zero chance with this girl. The longer you behave like her emotional outlet, the more you fall into her friendzone and the less she finds you sexually attractive.

For their relationship to end, HE would have to dump HER. She can tell him to **** off all day.. but she is so whipped by him she will come crawling into his bed every night... but luckily for her she can whine about it all day to you, because he probably wouldn't stand for that sh1t....
 

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Fvck her words of friendship.

If she is with you one night and is emotionally vulnerable do some kino on her like rubbing her back and doing the whole there there speech and then move in for the kiss.

If she denies you act cool for the rest of the time you are together that day or night and then brutally cut all contact with her.

If you have caller ID ignore any calls she makes, if you don't have that and she calls and you hear her voice just hang up. The idea behind this is if you are anything important to her at all she will go out of her way to meet or run into you in person and to fvck with her head and emotions making her wonder why you are no longer speaking with her even though you acted polite the rest of the night you were together with her.
 

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Yea, I was actually thinking about doind what KontrollerX said as far as not calling her if she denies me ,but the problem lies in that we have class every week and it would make things much more uncofortable since its an acting class and all. But she seems to be more and more becoming attached to me as far as I can tell right now as a "friend". Maybe if I play my cards right I can still hit it if things fail with the bf.

Any other advice on next move?

I appreciate everything.
 

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The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

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Women always have a long line of men waiting for their turn and auditioning is always going on even when she is in a relationship...LOL
Many times she is not ready to leave him yet but just wants some attention from other men to make her feel better when she cant control him.

Not calling her wont change anything except that the guy inline behind you will be up to bat...LOL
 

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Well with the new information you've given ostap I'd say your best bet is kino while alone with her and if she doesn't give you what you want you don't have to brutally cut contact with her after all since you can't considering the situation you are in so what I would do is simply be more distant towards her.

After all if she denies your advances yet still wants to cozy up to you thats not fair is it?

See there's got to be a price she has to pay if she values your affections and time well enough and that price is her giving you what you want out of her.

So if she denies you since you can't cut contact just be distant with her and cordial and polite if she tries to talk to you but keep it extremely brief, be as distant as you can without seeming bitter or angry just disinterested and aloof.

Basically don't let her use you as an emotional tampon is what I'm saying.

Keep things brief if she's not giving you what you want.
 

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Ok. So that fool is not calling her again and she tells me that pretty much she wants sex--- but with him only it seems, but I may be wrong. What should I say to her to make her think of sex with me without sounding like a perv or being desperate? It really seems like to me any day or week now she is gunna leave that dude and I could very well be the rebound man.

But it is becoming more and more obvious what this cat is doing. The old give her some and leave her worrying for a while while she think about you and then call her much later than you were suppoosed to so that she will want you harder trick, am I right? If so, this man has got her on a string. But I need to get some scissors and cut her off that string. Any advice for next move as far as what to tell her about him and what he is doing? I know its kind of dry snitching in a way, but damn, this broad is too bad to not use every trick in the book to get her.
 

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You're opening up a can of worms here. Trying to sleep with this girl (I give it a 2% chance of actually happening) is not worth all the trouble you're going to get yourself into. Even if she ends up leaving her boyfriend for you, she'll end up back in his arms eventually. Don't waste your time. You have a LOT to learn, son.

Don't come here and ask us for "tricks to get her into bed". If you were an attractive guy, you wouldn't need "tricks" and "mind games" to get girls into bed with you. ESPECIALLY not with girls in committed relationships. If you tried to pull this sh*t on my girlfriend, I'd make sure you wished you hadn't.
 

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young_gun said:
You're opening up a can of worms here. Trying to sleep with this girl (I give it a 2% chance of actually happening) is not worth all the trouble you're going to get yourself into. Even if she ends up leaving her boyfriend for you, she'll end up back in his arms eventually. Don't waste your time. You have a LOT to learn, son.

Don't come here and ask us for "tricks to get her into bed". If you were an attractive guy, you wouldn't need "tricks" and "mind games" to get girls into bed with you. ESPECIALLY not with girls in committed relationships. If you tried to pull this sh*t on my girlfriend, I'd make sure you wished you hadn't.
Ditto. The right thing to do is NEXT her.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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