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So here is the story. Me and my girl are together for 3 months. One saturday i started to like her, and after 2 weeks we first kissed, and started our relation. After 1 week we had sex.

I'm older than her, i'm 23 college, she's 18 high school. She's a incredible HB, that i love a lot and wanna keep with her. Her parents are extremly controling, and she can only go out monday afternoon, saturday nights, and sometimes friday, and that's it, so we dont see eachother that often. Which is good since we have fun together and dont get bored with too much being together.


We didnt have sex the last 10, 15 days, altough we've only been together 3 times that period. Last saturday and this one were the only ones we didnt do it.

This week i had a lot of exams, so i didnt reply her sms's readily cause i was really busy, and this saturday she complained about that, and that i didnt tell her i loved her a lot, that stuff i usually do. I didnt to that cause i noticed something about her, that she wasnt so much afectionate as she usually is, so i wasnt either in my msg's.
This saturday she went out, and instead of going to meet me where i was, went to our mutual friends, and told me to go there to meet her. I told her to come to where i was and we'd go together, but she insisted. When i got to the place, the 3 of them were arriving too (my girl, other girl and her bf, both my friends).
She wasnt kissing me, and said we needed to talk. First we'd have some fun dancing, and then when we would go home we'd talk in the way. So we did.

She asked me about a scratch i had in my nose some time ago, that i explained that i did it to myself by accident, really, and that she could call my friend that was present when it happened, she was thinking it had been a girl. Then she talked about the sms thing. Then talked about a girl that tryed to kiss me sometime ago, kissed me on the neck, and tryed to kiss me on the lips, but i pushed her away. And the other thing was that about sex, that she thinks we started doing it too son, and that i said some spicy stuff during the act that hurt her. We gave some nice kisses and i left her home, we didnt have time to talk all the stuff since she had to be home at 4 am.


Today we talked sms and she told me we needed to continue our convesation. We dont want to talk by msn so we are going out tomorrow to talk. I asked what was up, and she told me i wouldnt like to hear what she is going to say. I asked what was the subject, and she tells me she "she thinks things are not allright and she doesnt know what she wants, that she is being the most horrible person in the world..."

Then we setup talking all about it tomorrow, and she reminds me of taking the $ for a trip we setup to spain with a group of students. I ask her if what she wants to tell me tomorrow doesnt imply that she wants to go together to the trip, and she tells me she wants, that we planed going together and she wants me to go! And asks for me to promiss that i go to the trip! I ask: as boyfriends? And she tells me she doesnt know. I ask if we eventually broke up, why she wanted me to go, and if we'd see other ppl there at the trip, and she said of course she wouldnt, if i would? I tell her i wouldnt, only if we would really broke up, and she gets like "it's good to know that if we did, you wouldnt move a finger to stay with me". I told her that of course i would, that i want to be with her, and i expect her to also do for it, for us to keep together.


So what do you guys think about it? How should my atitude be tomorrow? And what about the trip thing, i have to decide if i go in 2 days, and the trip is in a month.
 

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Ahh... women and their drama...

Dont go on the spain trip and get into something where you'll just be her little buddy to tote around. Tell her she needs to make up her mind and that you wont just sit there while she creates her own little soap opera.
 

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One of the last things that i wrote was that when i asked about if we eventually went to that trip not being comited, how would it be about other ppl, and she said she wouldnt, and asked if i would. I told her i would only move on if we really broke up. And she was like, "its good to know that you wouldnt do nothing to keep us together and instead move on".

Dont really know what's on her mind, girl stuff, and since she has a younger mentality this is probably some drama. I'm not putting up for bull****, but what about what i wrote in 1st paragraph? What is she thinking?
I mean this in terms of the 2 atitudes i can have tomorrow.
a) The guy who moves on if she puts up some ****. But at the same time this might make her think she doesnt mean that much, so that she wouldnt be good with me and get eventually hurt.
b) The guy who will put up with this crap, and tell her that he likes her a lot and wants to be together.

Blarg, anyway tomorrow i'll see what she has to say, and i'll be cool with it, and turn it to my side.

Anyway, any more opinions are welcome.
 

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I will bet money on this:

1). She's going to break up with you when you talk.
2). She'll be 'nice' about it, and want to be 'friends'.
3). She'll ask you if your still going on the trip.


Thus, here's what you do:


1). When she drops the breakup crap on you, act indifferent. Just stay calm, and don't show sadness, anger, any of that. Just say in a calm voice that you understand and get out of the conversation ASAP.

Don't call, don't email, don't SMS, don't chat.

It'll blow her away, I guarantee it. She'll be blowing up your phone by the end of the week. Then, once you've got control of the situation, lead her on your terms. Tell her you don't need the games and that you want to be with somebody who wants to be with you.

2). Figure out what the hell you did to drop her IL so fast. Dude, the first 3 months should be some of the best time you guys spend together. That's all the fun stuff; no argueing, f*cking like rabbits, it's fresh and new.

I'm guessing you did something along the line....I don't know, but you do.
 

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I missed this when I was posting, hehe.


Originally posted by Trance
One of the last things that i wrote was that when i asked about if we eventually went to that trip not being comited, how would it be about other ppl, and she said she wouldnt, and asked if i would. I told her i would only move on if we really broke up. And she was like, "its good to know that you wouldnt do nothing to keep us together and instead move on".

On second thought, run like hell. She wants you to chase her, bro!She wants to play BS games like that, let her go. You'll be happier in the long run.

To hell with that chump sh*t.
 

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Cactus:

This was a big surprise, it was all going perfect! We were making incredible incredible sex, and the last time we did it she had more orgasms than ever. Then i had 2 very complicated weeks of exams, and we were together like 4 times these last 2 weeks. On last saturday it was the 1st time we didnt had sex. Next monday neither. This monday it was valentines day, she gave me a expensive gift, that Hugo boss perfume in a sphere, and i gave her a frame with a nice picture of us and a rose.
The only thing i can think of is that she thinks all i want is sex, cause a couple weeks ago she told me i talk about it all the time, and i want to do everyday (which we were doing it). And i slowed down my conversation about sex, cut down a lot of it and didnt mention it last saturday when she didnt want to do it, so that she wouldnt think its all about it. She sms'ed me asking if it is that important to me, and i told her that yes, but that i would be with her no mather if we did it or not,

Dunno why this change in her mind these last 10 days.
 

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Dude, it seems like she's asking questions about things and then reading God knows what into it.

10 days is pretty quick for things to turn around like this.
 

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Yea, she had warned me in the beginning of our relation that she has a very dificult temper, that she changes mood's very fast. And told me a couple times the months, and again today told me that. Also, she's always asking me if any girl send me a ring, sms, called me, etc.. I'm looking forward for what she's telling me tomorrow..
 

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those words are just perfect dementia, thx a lot!

btw, i have a "scheduled" date for tomorrow night if things end up like i think they will.


btw, what other words would you advice me about the trip stuff? the payment has to be made after tomorrow, and its in a month from now.
 

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Originally posted by Trance
So what do you guys think about it? How should my atitude be tomorrow? And what about the trip thing, i have to decide if i go in 2 days, and the trip is in a month.

ur girl is confused man... and she doesnt know what to do... she is so use to the way u use to act to her, and then when u take that away from her (cause of ur exams) its like taking a dogs bone away from it, it wont know what to do...and she also seems to have doughts about you, which means that she doesnt fully trust u yet... the sex is good... but the sex will only get u SO far...

What i would suggest you do is just remind her of all the good things that the 2 of you have, and that it would be such a waste... tell her what she wants to hear... explain to her that your exams are just putting alot of pressure on you, but that you still love her with all your heart... women are sometimes dumb and if you dont explain things out to them, they will get all sorts of other idea's in their head... So just make it clear to her that you are NOT cheating, u DO love HER and ONLY her, and that if the 2 of you had to break up, DONT say that you would just go running to other girls, tell her that you would do everything you can to fix things and get her to stayy with you, and then only after you have really treid everything to keep her, THEN you will move on... but also tell her that it wold take some time before u touch another girl because u will still love her... make her feel special... tell her what she wants to hear.. knock some sence into her!

Tell her that you are also not 100% happy ALL the time, but you rather want to FIX the problem rather than just run away from it and break up... tell her that the 2 of you are perfect, and that it would be a huge waste to just end it because of 2 weeks that have been up and down because of your exams.

Well, i wish i could help out more, but i gotta run... hope all goes well man:)


Laterz...
 

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No question what to do here ....


Go to Spain get a Eurail pass and go find some European tail.

It's not everyday you get chance to travel to Europe. Take advantage as a self-improvment trip to be more cultured. If your girl starts acting up and is trying to break it off then be ready to kick her to the curb and find some hbs in Spain:).
 

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Regardless of whatever action you take, she is 18. She sounds emotionally not ready for anything long term. The question I'm wondering is why you even bother putting up with this.
 

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cactus advice is the best so I won't rehash it again in this thread...

Its what I've always dun in the past and it absolutely fcuks their frame up..... Also saves me alot of emotions too
 

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Cactus is a fvcking genius. Listen to what the man says.

And despite the fact that this has been beatin to the ground I want to add that the 411 is also right on the money with this. Dont waste time on her. Go ahead and take a trip but do it for yourself. That whole business with the hooking up with people on the trip was bullshti to her anyways. She was playing you since she had control (way too much control) in the relationship. Consider yourself liberated. Go on the trip and hook up with all the girls you want guilt-free.
 

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So we were together this afternoon. We sit next to the beach to talk about our issues. I first heard what she had to tell me. She didnt know what to say, and only said a few disorganized ideas.

Basicly the main problem for her was about the sex. That we started doing a lot of kinky stuff, and talked a lot about it on sms and messenger. At the time i tought she was enjoying the provocative talk, but like a month ago she told me she doesnt like to talk about it, or for instance go out with me having already planed to do it latter that day. After that i moderated my talk, i cutted the sex talk off.
Also she told me that i was going this week again to my college city (porto), and going to a dinner (celebrating end of exams with my college friends), and she would be sitting home wondering of my wereabouts.

So i started talking. Something along the lines of:
I like you so much, i love you. I have dreams for us, and there is so much i want us to do together. I show you how i love you, i tell you and everything i do tells you that. I'd never do something that hurts you or something i wouldnt like you to do to me, ever. You admit that your mood changes like the wind, some days its all ok, somedays its not. You should have told me that the sex talk was bothering you long ago, it was so easy, and all i needed was your sincerity and not trying to please me while hurting yourself. She: "i know, but i didnt, and now i'm not feeling right with you..". And i continued: i think what we have/had/can have deserves that we keep together. And i want you to talk to me like you are now. Dont bother about my feelings, i take care of them myself, and dont cry if you are hurting me, only cry for your own hurt (cause she was letting some tears all along the talk) only. I want to be with you, but you are showing me that you dont trust me enough, and dont like me enough, so i think we should break up, what do you thinK?
She was silent for like 30m.. and didnt tell me she wants, just that she doesnt know what she wants, that she's not feeling right about us now. Latter i said i had to go, took her to the newspaper, we hugged and said goodbye.


About the trip, i didnt mention it, neither did she. 5m ago she sms'd me saying for me to go to the trip, and make the payment till tomorrow cause its the deadline.
I told her i wouldnt feel confortable in the trip since i only know her, and the other couple of our mutual friends, and she knows more ppl since the ppl who goes is from her school, and what's the point not going as boyfriends? We'd have to be together all the time since i only know her, and she obviouly doesnt want us to be together now.
Again she asked me to come, that she wants me to come, and i told her i was going to the trip cause i wanted to spend a dream week with my girlfriend, and now there aint no dreams.
She asked me if i also dont want to be with her next saturday, and i told her of course i want, i like you so much, but that we wont cause we wouldnt feel good about it.
She asked if that's a not?? and for me to think about it and tell her something about saturday and the trip tomorrow. I told her its not being together these days that will change our feelings, and what matters is how we feel about eachother, and not going dancing, so we should think about what we want, and then talk.
Again she asked me if i dont wanna go to the trip. And told me that we still have 3 weeks till then!
I asked what could happen in those 3 weeks, if she thinks we'd be together again? She said doesnt know, but that she's seeing that i dont my will to be with her and go to the trip is none.
I said how could she think that? Again she is doubting of my love and feelings for her.


Just a while ago she:
I almost flipeed when you told me you were at copo bar (a bar that has a lot of ppl sunday afternoon). You say you have to think about if you want to go to the trip, think, but think well!! think if you want to be with me saturday, and go to the trip, so that you latter dont regret and wonder how it would have been if you'd went with me!
 
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{{{{ -^ The Next Step ^- }}}}

Ok.. here is what i think....

Your girl has the same problem that 99% of all chicks have.... its the problem of tending to FORGET the obvious about a relationship if they are not constantly told it... What i am saying is that your girl needs to hear you say all those things like "i love you" etc... and seeing that during your exams you didnt say that, she started to get those doughts that most girls in a relationship get if they are not told that when they are USE to being told that alot (i love you) etc.

When she is telling you things like "So you dont wanna come?" or "its not your will to be with me" .. thats NOT what they really think... they are looking for you to TELL them that youi DO want to go with her, and it IS your will to be with her... SHE NEEDS TO HEAR IT! You also need to make it clear to her that even if u DONT show as much affectioanate towards her etc, that she must never have these doughts about you because u love her, and if something is wrong, you will tell her, just like u expect her to tell you (then bring up the fact that she never told u about the sex thing, and tell her that she needs to communicate with you and TELL you HOW SHE IS FEELING!)

Now... after you suggesting that the 2 of you break up... i would of said something along the lines of "eventhough braking up with you is one of the things that i would HATE most to happen, if u cant trust me and if u cant love me, then there is no point <--- So you are making it clear to her that u DOP care about the relationship, and u DONT want to break up, but you might have to because of the way that she is acting and thinking.

I think that she DOES want you though, she is just confused at the moment, but if she didnt WANT you, then she wouldnt want you to go on the trip with her, and she wouldnt ask you about next Saturday...so dude.. tell her that u WILL go on the trip with her, and that u WILl see her next saturday, i can almost garantee you that if you want to, you can get her back, and that after that, she WILL tell you if something is bothering her, and the relationship will be even MORE perfect than before, because now she wont feel arkward about the sex issue either... and that seems to be the main thing that is bothering her. When she asked u about u being with another girl (scratch on your nose) she was just looking for you to TELL HER that u were not with another girl and that u DID love ONLY her, u see.. since u never told her that much often during exams, she kinda MADE you say it by accusing u of something like cheating on her. Women will do this kinda thing even if they dont really mean to.. its got alot to do with their subcontience.

But overall.. your relationship with this girl is a strong one, that justs lacked some commuunication which will hopefully be fixed soon.. so go on that trip... the worste that wil happen is that u wont work out... u will stil;l have PLENTY of other girls to MACK on the trip if things go wrong, which they probably wont, but i'm just thinking "worste case scenario" here:rolleyes: So dont end anything, work on your problems, assure her that she will be happy with you, and assure her of how much u love her, and how "special" yor relationship is... bring up all the good things that come out of your relationship to her, bring back memories to her, REMIND her of what she might be willing to give up on, and make her realise how stupid it would be to give up on what the 2 of you have!

Goodluck man!;)


Laterz...
 

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I just talked with a girl who is the best friend of my girlfriend. She told me that she told her all of the sex stuff, that she was feeling unconfortable about it, and wanted me to be more romantic with her. And that last 2 weeks she wasnt wanting to do it with me to test me if all i wanted was that.

I told this girl that i knew she was testing me, but couldnt believe she tought that, and that it was all in a so short space of time. Also i told the girl that i did a lot of stuff that she doesnt give value to! Like not going to my college town many times and staying more time in our town to be with her, abdicating of a lot of stuff on weekends to be able to go out with her every saturday, all that! And she told me she never tought about that, and its true, and that my girl wanted me to demonstrate her that i really like her.
 

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Originally posted by belividere
Cactus is a fvcking genius. Listen to what the man says.


:D Thanks. My ego has been stoked for the day.


That cut-em-off stuff really does work. There's something nice about flipping a chick's attitude 180 degrees in less than a week ;)
 

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The thing is.. after what i got to know by her and her friend, the thing is obviously not going to be worked off with cuting off atention. But more like aequitas said.


My girl told me that once she was with a guy who after having sex with her, said he was in love with other girl and left her, cause the other girl was more experient in bed, and she got traumatized with that. blarg.
 

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Trance: now you're caring too much what your GF thinks and wants... Why is it so difficult for you to understand that your girl doesn't want you.... but what she is striving for is validation for breaking up with you.... that her decision was the right and just....

You can only judge a chick by her actions and physiology. so hearing words from her or her best friend is just throwing you a red herring.. Your girl is flakey... its got nothing to do with you now... Interest levels are low and it can only be brought about by displays of attraction( think back about how your courtship was like, you were bold, confident, knew what you want, alpha, charming) not this whiny, understanding, beta AFC dude that you are now....

Finally, you are not gonna get the girl back by understanding and sympathizing with her trauma from years past.... I really do envy chicks who use this BS for effect.... coz it works a treat on most AFCs.... Its all part of her build up for validation... after breaking it up with you, she'll let another bad boy into her life and let him screw her like a ho while being oblivious to her alleged trauma...

YOUR DOOMED....

ps. keep us updated... coz I know I'm right!!!
 
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