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Nature of GOD and its relationship to DJing
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Oh boy here we go.
Lets try and focus on the topic at hand which is the Nature of GOD and its relationship to DJing.
Can a DJ be a DJ under HIS GOD?
What are the moral underpinnings of being a DJ?
What exactly is a DJ?
How does being a believer in GOD affect one's DJing?
What are the ehtics of a DJ?
Ok now run with it.
I was raised religious too.
"If God exists and he has authored a book, then it should be a pretty good one. There should be no contradictions, errors, or logical flaws; it should be clear, easy to read, consistent, and accessable; and, it goes without saying that it should be morally irreprehensible."
Bingo Bango!
Sayno'
"If God exists and he has authored a book, then it should be a pretty good one. There should be no contradictions, errors, or logical flaws; it should be clear, easy to read, consistent, and accessable; and, it goes without saying that it should be morally irreprehensible."
Bingo Bango!
Sayno'
CableLight
Master Don Juan
Here's another thought...
Things like "no premarital sex" are considered what? Sins, yes.
So is stealing, so is whackin off, so is cheating on a test, so is telling lies...I don't think the bible likes swear words, either.
The point I'm getting at here is that, chances are, most people commit what the bible would refer to as "sins." I don't know if there's a ranking system ("this is more sinful than that"), but they're sins nonetheless.
What I'm trying to say here is that I seriously doubt anyone but the most hard-core follower can go without sinning. And if they did, they'd go to confession.
SO: Go to confession if you feel terrible about it, or, acknowledge the fact that sh!t happens.
Yes, being a "DJ" would mean you'd have to go against a few things in the bible. But, unless you're a priest, I doubt you live a life not already involved in something sinful from time to time.
Things like "no premarital sex" are considered what? Sins, yes.
So is stealing, so is whackin off, so is cheating on a test, so is telling lies...I don't think the bible likes swear words, either.
The point I'm getting at here is that, chances are, most people commit what the bible would refer to as "sins." I don't know if there's a ranking system ("this is more sinful than that"), but they're sins nonetheless.
What I'm trying to say here is that I seriously doubt anyone but the most hard-core follower can go without sinning. And if they did, they'd go to confession.
SO: Go to confession if you feel terrible about it, or, acknowledge the fact that sh!t happens.
Yes, being a "DJ" would mean you'd have to go against a few things in the bible. But, unless you're a priest, I doubt you live a life not already involved in something sinful from time to time.
diablo
Master Don Juan
Good lord, I'm going to hell.
Perhaps not the Bible per se, but the Catholic Church has a list of 'mortal sins'. You might read "Pillars of the Earth" - great book, even though it's about 28394 pages too long.
(According to the website there's a sequel coming out in the next year...)
Boner da Stoner
Master Don Juan
:cuss: :moon: :kick: :trouble: :box: :rockon: :woo:
"god will forgive"
amen
"god will forgive"
amen
SELF-MASTERY
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The problems that man faced in biblical times are the same problems we face today. The bible and life is about balance: Too much of anything is dangerous. Sins o sin.... Have you all heard this one, "there is no difference between sin," CRAP--- I'm positive that GOD is logical and would have a different punishment for a murders and a liar. DJing can be ethical and unethical, I don't even strive to be a DJ, who needs another label?Originally posted by diablo
Good lord, I'm going to hell.
Perhaps not the Bible per se, but the Catholic Church has a list of 'mortal sins'. You might read "Pillars of the Earth" - great book, even though it's about 28394 pages too long.
Balance is they key to life, always has been and always will.
h2o
Banned
I'm personally not religious...and I'm not sure if this reply will be relevant, because the original post was a bit difficult to understand...but here's my 2 cents:
I think with respect to DJ'ing and self-improvement, or whatever, there is some force or God or whatever, watching over and occasionally guiding us. But if you listen and heed to it, it is often for better than for worse.
Why?
Well, because there are some things that I have yet to be able to figure out or explain. I don't believe in destiny or fate...you have complete control over every aspect of your life. But, the smallest decisions you make can make the biggest differences.
For example, had I not stopped to tie my shoes for one or two minutes on the sidewalk ...I would have never crossed paths with the Hb8 on campus, and opened her. Think about it this way: She is completely separate from me. If I had not stopped, I would have passed by her path, a minute before she got to the same intersection point. Follow my drift? We would have never met...and I wouldn't have gotten her number, if it wasn't for tying my shoe. Now how the fcuk do you explain crazy sh!t like that??? I mean, before tying my shoe, I feel like there is something, some inner voice (or God) telling me "tie your shoe...do it h2o" and it's really odd.
Call me crazy, but I get these "intuitions" all the time. And it's seriously a matter of hit and miss.
Think about that.
I doubt I'm the only one who's pondered this.
I think with respect to DJ'ing and self-improvement, or whatever, there is some force or God or whatever, watching over and occasionally guiding us. But if you listen and heed to it, it is often for better than for worse.
Why?
Well, because there are some things that I have yet to be able to figure out or explain. I don't believe in destiny or fate...you have complete control over every aspect of your life. But, the smallest decisions you make can make the biggest differences.
For example, had I not stopped to tie my shoes for one or two minutes on the sidewalk ...I would have never crossed paths with the Hb8 on campus, and opened her. Think about it this way: She is completely separate from me. If I had not stopped, I would have passed by her path, a minute before she got to the same intersection point. Follow my drift? We would have never met...and I wouldn't have gotten her number, if it wasn't for tying my shoe. Now how the fcuk do you explain crazy sh!t like that??? I mean, before tying my shoe, I feel like there is something, some inner voice (or God) telling me "tie your shoe...do it h2o" and it's really odd.
Call me crazy, but I get these "intuitions" all the time. And it's seriously a matter of hit and miss.
Think about that.
I doubt I'm the only one who's pondered this.
wootapotky
Senior Don Juan
But h2o by tying your shoes you may have missed paths with an HB9 and missed the opportunity to open her. Or you may have missed paths with numerous other HB8's and missed the opportunity to get their numbers. Without knowing the alternative there's no way to know for sure that tying your shoes was the best thing to do.
I'm not saying you're wrong but this is how I interpret it. I believe it is the individual that places the importance on relationships and the individual that finds meaning in it, not some god that causes you to meet someone that will have an impact in your life.
I'm not saying you're wrong but this is how I interpret it. I believe it is the individual that places the importance on relationships and the individual that finds meaning in it, not some god that causes you to meet someone that will have an impact in your life.
Phoenix_of_the_ashes
Master Don Juan
Irrelevant, the responsibility of providing evidence has he who makes the statement, not he who opposes it.Originally posted by CableLight
You'd be amazed how many times those very words have been spoken on this forum...It's staggering
The best responce is: "Prove to me it doesn't exist."
There are no definitive answers to the question; no way to fully prove either.
Each inferance is equally probable, if not equally accurate, simply because each one of them remains equally unprovable.
Anyway, you want evidence that there is no almighty being that loves humans? Check the news.
Bible_Belt
Master Don Juan
I think the Bible gets a bad wrap because of all the nutcases out there. It does not say to avoid premarital sex and anything fun. Jesus said not to be sexually immoral, but that is it. Neighborhood orgies and gayness are out, but that's all, imho, unless you include the prohibition on doing your mother/sister/livestock. These rules are not difficult to follow.
The men of the Bible are mostlys DJs. They do not take any flack from their women. There is a scene in Genesis where Joseph's wife and mistress are arguing about who gets to have sex with him when he comes back from the field. It's like a porno plot. There's more sex and violence in the Bible than on network TV.
My point is to ask all of you to not hate religion because there are so many ignorant religious people. Form your opinions about the Bible, good or bad, by reading it.
http://bible.gospelcom.net/
The men of the Bible are mostlys DJs. They do not take any flack from their women. There is a scene in Genesis where Joseph's wife and mistress are arguing about who gets to have sex with him when he comes back from the field. It's like a porno plot. There's more sex and violence in the Bible than on network TV.
My point is to ask all of you to not hate religion because there are so many ignorant religious people. Form your opinions about the Bible, good or bad, by reading it.
http://bible.gospelcom.net/
Phoenix_of_the_ashes
Master Don Juan
If I want fiction Ill buy fiction.
Desdinova
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Allright, I'll try and keep my personal opinions out of this.
I think the place where the bible and DJs may conflict is how the bible is interpreted. It's the religion that defines how "immoral" you can be. Some religions will tell you not to fornicate. If one fornicates, all they have to do is repent. However, other religions will cast you out for fornication, preventing you from communicating with your friends and family members until they decide you have been "repentant" enough. Some religions absolutely forbid masturbation and homosexuality while others will tolerate it. Some will make you wear a specific style and color of underwear.
The religion becomes the middleman, does the interpreting, and forms their rules based on their own interpretation of the bible. What I find absolutely amazing is how so many different religions have formed from one book.
The DJs level of how far he will go depends on which religion he's with (or lack of religion).
I think the place where the bible and DJs may conflict is how the bible is interpreted. It's the religion that defines how "immoral" you can be. Some religions will tell you not to fornicate. If one fornicates, all they have to do is repent. However, other religions will cast you out for fornication, preventing you from communicating with your friends and family members until they decide you have been "repentant" enough. Some religions absolutely forbid masturbation and homosexuality while others will tolerate it. Some will make you wear a specific style and color of underwear.
The religion becomes the middleman, does the interpreting, and forms their rules based on their own interpretation of the bible. What I find absolutely amazing is how so many different religions have formed from one book.
The DJs level of how far he will go depends on which religion he's with (or lack of religion).
DrBeard
Banned
Fvck god! We are in this by ourselves and we do what we want, any time any place anywhere and anyone!
God does nothing for me so when I pray I tell him he can suck my fat one!
God does nothing for me so when I pray I tell him he can suck my fat one!
Phoenix_of_the_ashes
Master Don Juan
My opinion to this thread.
The concept of god is against DJing because a so called DJ must see himself as the highest instance of responsibility for himself.
The concept of god is against DJing because a so called DJ must see himself as the highest instance of responsibility for himself.
Squy
Master Don Juan
To me after reading all of the replies, I've learned one thing which I already knew: Extreme is bad.
One has to be flexible and adaptive, like you don't go walk into a Muslim mosque screaming "My friends, Jesus will salvate you all!", or walk into a church screaming "Jesus is a fraud!"
I myself dont have a religion because my religion doesnt have a name yet, since I borrow the best from all of the worlds religion, mix in all the traits, and the final result of a new flexible no name religion had and will be serving me to my best interest.
One has to be flexible and adaptive, like you don't go walk into a Muslim mosque screaming "My friends, Jesus will salvate you all!", or walk into a church screaming "Jesus is a fraud!"
I myself dont have a religion because my religion doesnt have a name yet, since I borrow the best from all of the worlds religion, mix in all the traits, and the final result of a new flexible no name religion had and will be serving me to my best interest.
Bible_Belt
Master Don Juan
Proverbs 31:3
do not spend your strength on women
Isaiah 3:12
Youths oppress my people, women rule over them. O my people, your guides lead you astray; they turn you from the path.
1 Corinthians 14:34
women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says.
Titus 2:3
...teach the older women ...Then they can train the younger women to love their husbands...
1 Timothy 2:14
And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived
Fvck god!
Job 2:10
He replied, "You are talking like a foolish woman."
do not spend your strength on women
Isaiah 3:12
Youths oppress my people, women rule over them. O my people, your guides lead you astray; they turn you from the path.
1 Corinthians 14:34
women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says.
Titus 2:3
...teach the older women ...Then they can train the younger women to love their husbands...
1 Timothy 2:14
And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived
Fvck god!
Job 2:10
He replied, "You are talking like a foolish woman."
MetalFortress
Master Don Juan
Untrue.
I got this straight from the link you posted after just one search.
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# Matthew 5:32
But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
Matthew 5:31-33 (in Context) Matthew 5 (Whole Chapter)
# Matthew 15:19
For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
Matthew 15:18-20 (in Context) Matthew 15 (Whole Chapter)
# Matthew 19:9
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
Matthew 19:8-10 (in Context) Matthew 19 (Whole Chapter)
# Mark 7:21
For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Mark 7:20-22 (in Context) Mark 7 (Whole Chapter)
# Acts 15:20
But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
Acts 15:19-21 (in Context) Acts 15 (Whole Chapter)
# Acts 21:25
As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.
Acts 21:24-26 (in Context) Acts 21 (Whole Chapter)
# Romans 1:29
Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Romans 1:28-30 (in Context) Romans 1 (Whole Chapter)
# 1 Corinthians 5:1
It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
1 Corinthians 5:1-3 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 5 (Whole Chapter)
# 1 Corinthians 5:9
I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
1 Corinthians 5:8-10 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 5 (Whole Chapter)
# 1 Corinthians 5:10
Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
1 Corinthians 5:9-11 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 5 (Whole Chapter)
# 1 Corinthians 5:11
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
1 Corinthians 5:10-12 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 5 (Whole Chapter)
# 1 Corinthians 6:9
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1 Corinthians 6:8-10 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 6 (Whole Chapter)
# 1 Corinthians 6:13
Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.
1 Corinthians 6:12-14 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 6 (Whole Chapter)
# 1 Corinthians 6:18
Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
1 Corinthians 6:17-19 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 6 (Whole Chapter)
# 1 Corinthians 7:2
Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
1 Corinthians 7:1-3 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 7 (Whole Chapter)
# 1 Corinthians 10:8
Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
1 Corinthians 10:7-9 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 10 (Whole Chapter)
# 2 Corinthians 12:21
And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.
2 Corinthians 12:20-22 (in Context) 2 Corinthians 12 (Whole Chapter)
# Galatians 5:19
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Galatians 5:18-20 (in Context) Galatians 5 (Whole Chapter)
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Bible_Belt
Master Don Juan
It does not say anywhere in those verses "no sex before marriage."
Most of what you quoted is Paul, who was writing to convert the Baal worshippers, whose worship services often involved ritual sex and drunken orgies. That's what they mean by "fornication." All sex is not bad, but sex was inherent in the ceremonies of the Baal priests and pagans. The stone-carved female baal deities were essentially the world's first porn. They have found a few and they always have big tits. It is easy to view those quotes as coming from a judgemental televangelist type saying sex is bad, but imho that is not the message of the Bible. Sex is not a bad thing. These people who post "oh no my girl read the Bible now we can't do it all is lost" obviously do not understand reframing. If your girl says you can't have sex because of the Bible, use the Bible to persuade her that the opposite is true. The Song of Solomon is a good place to start. It's in part the musings of a horny chick. The Bible, in its complete perfection, even instructs young women in the timeless spit-or-swallow debate.
Song of Solomon 2:3
Like an apple tree among the trees of the forest
is my lover among the young men.
I delight to sit in his shade,
and his fruit is sweet to my taste.
Most of what you quoted is Paul, who was writing to convert the Baal worshippers, whose worship services often involved ritual sex and drunken orgies. That's what they mean by "fornication." All sex is not bad, but sex was inherent in the ceremonies of the Baal priests and pagans. The stone-carved female baal deities were essentially the world's first porn. They have found a few and they always have big tits. It is easy to view those quotes as coming from a judgemental televangelist type saying sex is bad, but imho that is not the message of the Bible. Sex is not a bad thing. These people who post "oh no my girl read the Bible now we can't do it all is lost" obviously do not understand reframing. If your girl says you can't have sex because of the Bible, use the Bible to persuade her that the opposite is true. The Song of Solomon is a good place to start. It's in part the musings of a horny chick. The Bible, in its complete perfection, even instructs young women in the timeless spit-or-swallow debate.
Song of Solomon 2:3
Like an apple tree among the trees of the forest
is my lover among the young men.
I delight to sit in his shade,
and his fruit is sweet to my taste.