Napoleon Bonaparte, the ultimate beta? his love letters

[ositosucio]

I find it amazing that him, an emperor, an alpha man by all measures still behaved like a beta loser with his wife Josephine who never really cared about him.

Here are some of his letter he sent to her:

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I don't love you, not at all; on the contrary, I detest you. You're a naught, gawky, foolish Cinderella.

You never write me; you don't love your own husband; you know what pleasures your letters give him, and yet you haven't written him six lines, dashed of so casually!

What do you do all day, Madam? What is the affair so important as to leave you no time to write to your devoted lover?

What affection stifles and puts to one side the love, the tender constant love you promised him?

Of what sort can be that marvellous being, that new lover that tyrannises over your days, and prevents your giving any attention to your husband?

Josephine, take care! Some fine night, the doors will be broken open and there I'll be.

Indeed, I am very uneasy, my love, at receiving no news of you; write me quickly for pages, pages full of agreeable things which shall fill my heart with the pleasantest feelings.

I hope before long to crush you in my arms and cover you with a million kisses as though beneath the equator.


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I awake all filled with you. Your image and the intoxicating pleasures of last night, allow my senses no rest.

Sweet and matchless Josephine, how strangely you work upon my heart.

Are you angry with me? Are you unhappy? Are you upset?

My soul is broken with grief and my love for you forbids repose. But how can I rest any more, when I yield to the feeling that masters my inmost self, when I quaff from your lips and from your heart a scorching flame?

Yes! One night has taught me how far your portrait falls short of yourself!

You start at midday: in three hours I shall see you again.

Till then, a thousand kisses, mio dolce amor! but give me none back for they set my blood on fire.



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My brother will bring you this letter. I have the greatest love for him and I hope he will gain yours; he deserves it. Nature has given him a sweet and utterly good character; he is full of good qualities.

I am writing to Barras to get him appointed consul in some Italian port. He wants to live with his little wife far away from the hurly-burly and political affairs; I commend him to you.

I have your letters of the 16th and the 21st. There are many days when you don't write. What do you do, then?

No, my darling, I am not jealous, but sometimes worried.

Come soon; I warn you, if you delay, you will find me ill. Fatigue and your absence are too much.

Your letters are the joy of my days, and my days are happiness are not many.

Junot is bringing twenty-two flags to Paris. You must come back with him, do you understand?

Hopeless sorrow, inconsolable misery, sadness without end, if I am so unhappy as to see him return alone.

Adorable friend, he will see you, he will breathe in your temple; perhaps you will grant him the unique and perfect flavor of kissing your cheek, and I shall be alone and far, far away.

But you are coming, aren't you? You are going to be here beside me, in my arms, on my breast, on my mouth.

Take wing and come, come! But travel gently. The road is long, bad, tiring.

Suppose you had an accident, or fell ill; suppose fatigue- come gently, my adorable love, but I think of you often.

I have received a letter from Hortense. I will write to her. She is altogether charming. I love her and will soon send her the perfumes she wants.

Read Ossian's poem "Carthon" carefully, and sleep well and happily far from your good friend, but thinking of him.

A kiss on the heart, and one lower down, much lower!

B.

I don't know if you need money; you have never talked about your affairs. If so, you can ask my brother, who has 200 louis of mine.



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[Iceberg]

Honestly, I didn't read all of that, but I will say that I find it funny when people look back to the "good ol days" when men were men and blah blah blah...

If you read poems, and songs, and stories from the past, men were whining over women just the same as they are today.

Just because these guys could build log cabins and shoot a rifle before they were 5 doesn't mean they're immune to the human emotions that make us sappy over women and the concept of "love".

AFC-ism is as human as taking a dump. Always was. Always will be.

 

[blueeyedgent]

Question is who was "Bone-Apart" banging on the side when he wasn't conquering Europe and penning letters to his beloved Josephine?

 

[Jariel]

I don't think there's anything beta about showing affection to a woman and expressing your feelings, just as long as it comes from a place of confidence. It shows security when you can compliment a woman and make her feel good without fear. There are many poets, writers, singers and artists who did this and were master seducers.

But yes, I agree that this shows beta behaviour. These letters come from a place of weakness, frustration and desperation. They show no value or confidence and are written with the intention of trying to persuade her to love him.

I think it's very important to know the difference.

 

[ositosucio]

I don't think there's anything beta about showing affection to a woman and expressing your feelings, just as long as it comes from a place of confidence. It shows security when you can compliment a woman and make her feel good without fear. There are many poets, writers, singers and artists who did this and were master seducers.

But yes, I agree that this shows beta behaviour. These letters come from a place of weakness, frustration and desperation. They show no value or confidence and are written with the intention of trying to persuade her to love him.

I think it's very important to know the difference.

exactly. But he was trying to make her write to him! Josephine was not responding. She never was most of the time. I will do a little bit of research on this as I am sure she was riding the **** carrousel while his husband was conquering Europe!

 

[ositosucio]

meh, Im sick of letting women decide who is alpha and who isnt. If you conquer europe, you're more alpha than some white trash yo like K Fed that has knocked up HB 10's lol.
My Alpha Formula:
1. Was Napoleon respected by MEN? If not, not an alpha. If so, proceed to #2:
2. Did Napoleon have options? If yes, Alpha.

Using Roissy's sex-obsessed criteria is beta IMO.

Correct... but in some strange cases like his, even alpha men with a ton of options, power, money and a ton of other things still behave as beta clowns. I am sure he had a ton of insecurities and they clearly show in his letters.

This line just made me cringe:

"A kiss on the heart, and one lower down, much lower!"

Can you write such a thing to a woman that doesn't write you back while you are out there risking your life????

 

[PapiChulo]

Men have feelings too. It's a mark of times - one was supposed to be in touch with their feelings, damn romantics. Hell, gentlemen died and killed for a woman in duels.

 

[coochieman]

What the hell was he thinking writing all this crap?! Her sex must have been extraordinaire!
No modern day General would be able to pull off anything this romantic.

 

[ositosucio]

i got it! may be josephine was the first to shave "down there" in France and it was revolutionary! it captivated the emperor for sure!

 

[backbreaker]

while Napoleon was probably the greatest miltiary mind in the last.. at least last 500 years, it is a well known fact that he was quite ***** whipped by Josephine.

he kinda had a "AFC break" moment.. he wrote her letters after letter declaring his love for her and she cheated on him when he was off in Egypt and he found out about it, her thinking that she can control him because of his feelings for her , and he got back and he b asically told her to get her **** and get out. she hadn't expected that response from him. that in combination with his new found fame, she pleaded to have another chance with him and declared how much she loved him and how she made a mistake.. he forgave her and they stayed married and she never cheated again, though by this time Neoplean had so much fame he was getting all kinds on the side, though he did very much love Josephine.

people think of him as a great military m an and equate military to bravery but in reality he was the equivalent of a nerd of his time; he had little to no social skills he was short, his family was poor and he could not dress to save his life. he is more like Steve jobs than he is douglas mcarther. if he was born in 1980 and not 1780 he would have no doubt been a computer engineer.

 

[ositosucio]

thanks! that's the vibe i got from his letters.

I would have kept Josephine out of the palace though.

while Napoleon was probably the greatest miltiary mind in the last.. at least last 500 years, it is a well known fact that he was quite ***** whipped by Josephine.

he kinda had a "AFC break" moment.. he wrote her letters after letter declaring his love for her and she cheated on him when he was off in Egypt and he found out about it, her thinking that she can control him because of his feelings for her , and he got back and he b asically told her to get her **** and get out. she hadn't expected that response from him. that in combination with his new found fame, she pleaded to have another chance with him and declared how much she loved him and how she made a mistake.. he forgave her and they stayed married and she never cheated again, though by this time Neoplean had so much fame he was getting all kinds on the side, though he did very much love Josephine.

people think of him as a great military m an and equate military to bravery but in reality he was the equivalent of a nerd of his time; he had little to no social skills he was short, his family was poor and he could not dress to save his life. he is more like Steve jobs than he is douglas mcarther. if he was born in 1980 and not 1780 he would have no doubt been a computer engineer.