Mystery the greatest pickup artist alive?

[JdelaSilviera]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX9Qm8WULSE

I don´t want to jump into conclusions based on the few infield videos I have been watching, and I do believe Mystery is a well intentioned person who already helped lots of guys.

But watch this video, even if he is in a bad day, he doesn´t seem the kind of guy who is naturally good with women. He is a robot, and look how he delivers "too bad I´m gay, you would be so my type" which he makes sound cool in seminaries. This is almost embarassing to see, I do believe he might make some success cause many women like these guys who are "alternatives", junky look types. Also the girls he picks up in the videos are not good looking, also, many guys here are in their 20´s or early 30´s, and we are mostly interested in early twenties girls. When you hit on girls 27+ (which is what Mystery seems to do), they are just easier... women panick with their biological clocks.

If you go to a popular early 20 yo with the Mystery kind of talk, it´s just a social disaster..

Also the neg thing, that it seems almost like a breaking discovery online, is just EVERYWHERE, I see guys negging women ALL THE TIME. PUAs have very few to offer if you look carefully.

If a girl likes you, it´s because of a sum of factors, you might be funny, good looking, generally interesting etc. I wouldn´t give so much attention to these guys...

 

[CrimsonPanther]

dunno, i have watched some of this guy's "seminars", seems like 90% mental masturbation, 9% commonly known stuff, 1% substance. i guess it is ok to wake up some blue pill men.
no hate though, if it helped someone, that is what's important.

 

[zekko]

no hate though, if it helped someone, that is what's important.

More like if he made some money off of it, that's what's important. But whatever.

He is a robot, and look how he delivers "too bad I´m gay, you would be so my type" which he makes sound cool in seminaries.

I watched him on The Pickup Artist, and he would walk up to people and spout off some of his canned lines, seemingly out of nowhere. There was no context at all for him to be saying what he was saying. Girls had to be wondering "What the heck did he just say?" Or "Why did he say that?". More likely it just went right over their heads because it didn't really make any sense.

Also the neg thing, that it seems almost like a breaking discovery online, is just EVERYWHERE, I see guys negging women ALL THE TIME.

I agree with this, the neg has gone totally mainstream. I see even nerdy guys with no success with women totally busting on them. Nearly every guy I know negs. I've come to the point where I don't even want to do it anymore just to be different. Also, I notice a lot of women like to bust on guys, too.

 

[JdelaSilviera]

Yep, exactly zekko, he throws these lines out of nowhere. Look how he instantly tries to show "higher" value by mentioning all the friends he has. I would say even more about negging, any guy who speaks to women know it kind of works, if well used (in timing, quantity and quality)...and that´s a big if for nerdy guys who are not socially calibrated. But it won´t make a major difference getting laid.

I had a gathering with a friend of years, and he showed me all the hook ups (some really cute girls) he had in the last months. He is just cool normal guy, really no top 90% lol. Too much online foruns do distort your view on reality. And these kind of "movements" although may be helpful for guys who can get the few right messages they have to offer, may be a disaster for others.

More like if he made some money off of it, that's what's important. But whatever.


I watched him on The Pickup Artist, and he would walk up to people and spout off some of his canned lines, seemingly out of nowhere. There was no context at all for him to be saying what he was saying. Girls had to be wondering "What the heck did he just say?" Or "Why did he say that?". More likely it just went right over their heads because it didn't really make any sense.


I agree with this, the neg has gone totally mainstream. I see even nerdy guys with no success with women totally busting on them. Nearly every guy I know negs. I've come to the point where I don't even want to do it anymore just to be different. Also, I notice a lot of women like to bust on guys, too.

 

[Solomon]

The video reminds me excatly of how one of my buddies picks up women. He doesn't try to pick up women and starts rambling random stories. Women listen because of 2 things

1. His stories are funny and interesting and his passionate delivery gets them hooked. When you see Mystery speak about his friends, even though he is clearly b.sing the chick he convey's in his eyes how "proud" he is. Women pay attention to sub-communication more then guys realize. Tone of his voice, body language, how he is saying it. Mystery has all this down pact

2. Women are use to guys saying the same thing "your hot" or "your dress is nice" so this approach with a guy who is interesting with story telling ability is refreshing because it shows the guy is 1. Social savvy, 2. Interesting.

Women's life are boring, they wanna meet interesting COOL guys. And lot of guys aren't .

Mystery Method works for Mystery hence it's called mystery method. I think some of the concepts are legit i.e. peacocking, negging. While some are funny and laugable i.e. you have to wait 7 hours to bang a chick.

And the girl isn't ugly if she is then you must be living in Seriba or something

 

[JdelaSilviera]

Are serbia women hot? Never been there. Well this girl is ok, but many times he just hits on plane Janes or Ugs, I wasn´t just talking about this vid, if he does for illustration purposes or lack of capacity to do better I don´t know. What I´m sure is that he wouldn´t have a chance, using this weirdo approach with hot early 20´s highly social, Madrid,Rome, Paris girls...

Solomon, as an experienced guy picking up and in the pickup community, you know fully well that this method ain´t intended just for mystery. It is supposed to be an Universal way of attracting based on evolutionary biology and women psychology. That´s how they sell it.

Although I think that each guy should develop it´s method. and there are some things to learn about. But I´ve seen much better than him in real life, perhaps because he´s himself a past nerd and thus impressive for guys who are bad with women. Every guy who had a few interactions with women knows negs work, to some extent, for instance, if in a group the talking to the guys first is pretty much standard for any thinking person.

I just thing he is overrated, and they (PUAs) do make a lot more money in their seminars than they should. Although in general I´m not to kin to PUAs, I find david d, David la Ruina, or julian foxx better than mystery (even if some concepts are similar), they are just more natural,

 

[apprenticedj]

Meh, different strokes for different folks. I don't subscribe to MM personally but I think it's helpful for some dudes. I have a pretty decent amount of natural game so my goal is to have a casual conversation to start with and escalate from there. But this method works for MANY guys and if it helps them get better with chicks I say good sh*t. But you're totally right, every guy needs to develope his own method and that usually involves much trial and error. My only gripe about any method is the use of canned lines and routines. They work when done properly but IL is still the biggest thing. I've found that when a chick is digging some dude he can usually walk up and blurt out just about anything and they'll eat it up. But some geek walks up with the best rehearsed routine and they'll still diss him HARD. For me it's all about attraction at the end of the day. That's a hard pill to swallow for some guys so they seek ways to level the playing field. For some, MM does just that.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Mystery is from Toronto. Having lived in Toronto for a while, I can attest that there are a lot of REALLY fvcking weird people here, especially in the downtown area. Lots of faggots, transsexuals, cross-dressers, EMO's and just plain 'ol crazy folks. It's not unusual to see some nutbar walking down the street, talking to himself, yelling at passers-by or even freestyle rapping (I'm not talking about freestyle competitions...just some guy walking down the street doing that sh*t by himself). I am not at all surprised that Mystery hails from these parts.

 

[GS750]

They are way overrated. Take away the funny clothes and they are still geeks. BTW, where's his fluffy hat?

 

[zekko]

Solomon, as an experienced guy picking up and in the pickup community, you know fully well that this method ain´t intended just for mystery. It is supposed to be an Universal way of attracting based on evolutionary biology and women psychology. That´s how they sell it.

One thing Mystery stressed is that if a woman wasn't buying your flow, eject. Apparently he was very in tune to this and knew when he was wasting his time so he could move on to the next. It all boils down to the old ask a bunch of women and one should be into you - the old 10% is a good success rate for a PUA. Or, in other words, it's a numbers game.

Thing is, I don't see how this can be a "Universal Method of Attraction" when it might only work 10% of the time. Doesn't sound very universal, does it?

However, just becaue what he's saying sounds like a bunch of garbage doesn't mean it doesn't work. Like Solomon says, he's got the subcommunications and nonverbals down.

Mystery was a magician. A friend of mine used to do magic tricks, then he would often show me how they were done. Usually the secret was the dumbest piece of crap you could possibly believe, like you wouldn't believe something so stupid would work. And yet when you were watching the trick it looked pretty neat. But knowing how ridiculously simple the solution was, I always thought it would take balls of steels to get up and do the trick, because it was so silly. My friend had those balls of steel. And sometimes the trick wouldn't come off, or people would guess how it was done, and he'd come off looking not so good. But that's sort of like rejections, I guess.

I think Mystery approached pickup in much the same way - it was a trick, a performance, and sometimes the girl bought into it, and sometimes she didn't.

 

[Solomon]

Are serbia women hot? Never been there. Well this girl is ok, but many times he just hits on plane Janes or Ugs, I wasn´t just talking about this vid, if he does for illustration purposes or lack of capacity to do better I don´t know. What I´m sure is that he wouldn´t have a chance, using this weirdo approach with hot early 20´s highly social, Madrid,Rome, Paris girls...

Solomon, as an experienced guy picking up and in the pickup community, you know fully well that this method ain´t intended just for mystery. It is supposed to be an Universal way of attracting based on evolutionary biology and women psychology. That´s how they sell it.

Although I think that each guy should develop it´s method. and there are some things to learn about. But I´ve seen much better than him in real life, perhaps because he´s himself a past nerd and thus impressive for guys who are bad with women. Every guy who had a few interactions with women knows negs work, to some extent, for instance, if in a group the talking to the guys first is pretty much standard for any thinking person.

I just thing he is overrated, and they (PUAs) do make a lot more money in their seminars than they should. Although in general I´m not to kin to PUAs, I find david d, David la Ruina, or julian foxx better than mystery (even if some concepts are similar), they are just more natural,

I never subscribed to MM nor will I.

Like I said some of his stuff is legit and other stuff is laughable. That's with most "Methods" out there, and I do agree with you that lots of Pua's are highly overrated. I know guys who have never heard of PUA or seduction who would put a guy like Mystery to shame in the field EASILY. In terms of the women he hits on, that's another story and I honestly don't know what caliber he gets but I'm pretty sure he does get hot women especially since he's been on television now and is a millionaire. It wouldn't be that hard for him to get 7+'s just of that

And Serbian women? are very hot mate

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/3144/everglide1239.jpg
http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/4372/everglide1235.jpg
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/5571/everglide1234.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5114/everglide123.jpg
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/2685/everglide1233.jpg

^^These are not paid models, these women you would run into in a serbian night club

:cheer: :crackup:

 

[Maximus Rex]

he doesn´t seem the kind of guy who is naturally good with women.

Duh, which is why he developed the Mystery Method.

I don´t want to jump into conclusions based on the few infield videos I have been watching, and I do believe Mystery is a well intentioned person who already helped lots of guys.

Where's what the PUA haters and guys with an iota of natural game don't want refuse to accept or understand about the Mystery Method. The Model is specifically designed for socially inept introverts. Guys, (like dear ole Rex,) need step-by-step guide on this sh*t.

Some things I figured out on my own, like using indirect openers, chicks liking bad boys, and not giving women attention. Even though I figure those things out, they had no context. I knew that chicks liked thugged out dudes, but I didn't know why. Mystery Method (along with American Pimp, and The Tom Leykis Show,) filled in the empty spaces and put things in there proper context.

The Mystery Method gave my game a foundation and structure. Not only did I know what to do, but why I was doing it, and how to elicit certain responses for women. If something went awry, I didn't blame The Model, I just chalked it up to a lack of experience on my part.

I always said that there's something in the Mystery Method, that isn't applicable to me, however, I have yet find out what that something is. Until like Oprah's punk ass, Mystery hasn't lied to me yet.

 

[JdelaSilviera]

Good post, and great contribution with the photos mate.

I never subscribed to MM nor will I.

Like I said some of his stuff is legit and other stuff is laughable. That's with most "Methods" out there, and I do agree with you that lots of Pua's are highly overrated. I know guys who have never heard of PUA or seduction who would put a guy like Mystery to shame in the field EASILY. In terms of the women he hits on, that's another story and I honestly don't know what caliber he gets but I'm pretty sure he does get hot women especially since he's been on television now and is a millionaire. It wouldn't be that hard for him to get 7+'s just of that

And Serbian women? are very hot mate

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/3144/everglide1239.jpg
http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/4372/everglide1235.jpg
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/5571/everglide1234.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5114/everglide123.jpg
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/2685/everglide1233.jpg

^^These are not paid models, these women you would run into in a serbian night club

:cheer: :crackup:

 

[JdelaSilviera]

Duh, he isn't which is why he developed the Mystery Method.

Lol, faulty logic there. I could develop a method that arise naturally from me and teach it to others. But what I really mean is that robotic way he talks doesn´t give a great impression on ppl watching the videos (his students), much less to the women he is interacting with. Naturally or unnaturally he doesn´t seem good.

I agree with the rest of your post though. PUAism could be simply, do not be a ***** around women, which part of his method conveys, but this thing of making socially awkward people behave even worse with googles and weird hats, can be damaging and traumatic on people with little experience. That´s perhaps why, you have many guys who after paying a bunch for seminaires, become the biggest PUA Haters, because the method didn´t work and they were ridiculed.

 

[backbreaker]

Mystery is the Bill Gates of PUA

He didn't invent it. He made it more mainstream. And now it's more popular to bash him than it is to give him his due for what he did, which was.. even better

The mystery method is like the windows 3.1 GUI. before Win 3.1 does you had this thing called a pc and you didn't know what the **** to do with it. You had this black MS-DOS screen, you typed some **** in, you could get it to do some neat stuff but you had to know all these differnet lines of codes. I actually knew MS Dos probable 5x better than I do now 20 years ago. I could go in and i was switching disks drives and running queries and **** like a BOSS at 10 years old lol. my point being Gates comes along, makes a program that makes this **** you can't understand, really easy to understand and all he gets is a big F you by techies and nerds everywhere

Do I like mystery? not really. I don't agree with his lifestyle, I don't even particularly agree with his message. I don't like men whoose sole purpose is to chase women. there's more to life than that. Do I agree with everything he does? Not really. But in terms of what he does, he's at the top of the game.

 

[backbreaker]

Mystery is the Bill Gates of PUA

He didn't invent it. He made it more mainstream. And now it's more popular to bash him than it is to give him his due for what he did, which was.. even better

The mystery method is like the windows 3.1 GUI. before Win 3.1 does you had this thing called a pc and you didn't know what the **** to do with it. You had this black MS-DOS screen, you typed some **** in, you could get it to do some neat stuff but you had to know all these differnet lines of codes. I actually knew MS Dos probable 5x better than I do now 20 years ago. I could go in and i was switching disks drives and running queries and **** like a BOSS at 10 years old lol. my point being Gates comes along, makes a program that makes this **** you can't understand, really easy to understand and all he gets is a big F you by techies and nerds everywhere

Do I like mystery? not really. I don't agree with his lifestyle, I don't even particularly agree with his message. I don't like men whoose sole purpose is to chase women. there's more to life than that. Do I agree with everything he does? Not really. But in terms of what he does, he's at the top of the game.


edit: really sosuave? 10 posts lol? really?

 

[GS750]

Yes! There's the fluffy hat! Along with eye liner and nail polish. "I'm in Hollywood with purpose" LOL

 

[Lotus Effect]

Even though he is robotic, canned, and borderline gay I believe he contributed to man in general.

I was made aware of methods to picking up chicks troughout the Mistery Method. I've got so many chicks using it. And I've f*cked them all thankfully to the Mistery Method, hence, thanks to Mistery.

The game have evolved indeed, and using his material may not work anymore as it did some 5 years ago, but it does have solid foundation. Developing your own natural way of picking up chicks is natural after some time, but there is a good deed of theory that I've carried inherently after using the method for some time.

In my opinion, it is good. It has only bring benefits to my life, since I was a loser with no game at all, and now I rock! It is useless now for me. But I guess for the general AFC, it gives a structured pathway to success with women, which is what the AFC crave for.

Theory, advices, inner game, and be the better you that you can be, are good stuff for guys with game, who wants to improve even more. The AFC wants the step by step, and that is what mistery gave.

I am thankfull for him!

 

[Dryden]

All I see in that video is a feminine looking guy who has good facial expression and talks about feminine stuff like those nieces. He has excellent conversation and can just keep talking forever it seems, in an undying monologue. If I were gay (which I might be a bit) I would find him attractive physically and his body language is attractive too. But it's very feminine.

In a sense, because he can just keep talking, and he's interesting, he's just compatible with many women. They will see a confident guy and are willing to be led. It's like they don't have any reason or opportunity to say no to him.

I think it's easy to criticize because he's at the top and tall trees catch a lot of wind. Successful people everywhere get criticized for everything by someone.

 

[Maximus Rex]

And Serbian women? are very hot mate

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/3144/everglide1239.jpg
http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/4372/everglide1235.jpg
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/5571/everglide1234.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5114/everglide123.jpg
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/2685/everglide1233.jpg

^^These are not paid models, these women you would run into in a serbian night club

:cheer: :crackup:

A n*gga needs to learn Russian. And Serbia is where Stalin'em sent the political prisoners for "re-education?" Anyway....

which part of his method conveys, but this thing of making socially awkward people behave even worse with googles and weird hats, can be damaging and traumatic on people with little experience. That´s perhaps why, you have many guys who after paying a bunch for seminaires, become the biggest PUA Haters, because the method didn´t work and they were ridiculed.

That's the thing, all people see is Mystery's outward appearance. He said himself in The Game that he's looks for a certain of type of chick, one that will play groupie to his rock star. It's not about looking like Mystery, it's about adopting the principles of the model and applying them to your life.

For example, the following pictures are of ya boy in regular everyday attire.
As you can plainly see, if I were to walk around in a big furry hat, with lace shirts (a la George Washington,) and painted black nails. I'd look like a muthaf*ckin' fool.

http://i850.photobucket.com/albums/ab64/OmnipotensMaximusRex/MeandJohnnieThunderbird_zps6336a375.jpg

http://i850.photobucket.com/albums/...e-3694-401b-9aa3-584d116e9833_zpsba45edf0.jpg


http://i850.photobucket.com/albums/ab64/OmnipotensMaximusRex/ANewLook_zps0fd656cb.jpg

http://i850.photobucket.com/albums/ab64/OmnipotensMaximusRex/Pimpin_zps022cbe7c.jpg

Now this is my "peacocking," style and I will say that it will get a b*tch to choose. In the first picture, the newsie (the cap that I'm wearing,) and the sweater are the conversation pieces while in the bottom picture it's definitely the ascot. How many cats are walking around here confidently wearing ascots? For me this is a damn good look, but you might not like it. Peacocking isn't about imitating Mystery, but rather it's wearing clothes that not only compliments, but runs congruent with your game.