Mystery Method instructor on Keys to the VIP

[LeComteDeMonteCristo]

I hope this isn't a repost. For anyone not familiar with the show, two guys are sent into a club and given challenges to demonstrate their game to a panel of judges. "Cajun" is the an instructor from Mystery Method and as far as I know the first professional ever featured on the show.

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=2009352446961728591

 

[LeComteDeMonteCristo]

This is a breakdown posted by Cajun himself over on the MM forums.

Breakdown

First Set:

You see pretty much the entire interaction on the show. The girl was a 10 and WAY taller than me (I'm only 5'8). I went in knowing I had to close in less than 3 mins (They don't want you in set longer than that). Normally I don't have to work under these guidelines so this first set was basically a chance for me to test the water and figure out what the best structure would be. I decided to improvise and ended up simply compressing my regular structure and throwing in an extra DHV to make up for the lack of a qualifier (which I thought would take too long).

Result: I was a bit too overqualified, and the girl thought I was too good to be true, and simply acting polite in asking for her number. Contrary to what Chris says, there was attraction, in fact when they went to get her release afterwards, she was very upset because she really liked me. She was the only one who refused the signature (thus having to blur her face).

Second Set:

You see the entire interaction minus a key moment. Before I go for her number she jokes about how I could help her reach "The big time" in regards to her acting career. Thats why I say "Big time" after I ask for her number, it's an inside joke, not a mistake. I also learned from the first set not to overqualify myself so I played the natural on this second set: complimenting her a little everytime I DHV'd myself to let her know I was genuine.

Subtext was also a huge factor for this set. I encourage everyone to dig up my article on subtext (or just go to my blog cajunsspice.blogspot.com). The "rock solid confidence" the judges were referring to was entirely based on my subtext. Listen to how I open her, the way I speak, I don't want anything from her. The fact that this was a moving set, which are usually suicide, makes my point all the more clear, subtext=Huge. Peaches was also spot on about negs, they're not necessary when you have body language and subtext down.

Result: Perfection, she texted me later on in the night but I was already on my way back to Toronto so I couldnt meet up with her. Too bad, she was HOT.

Third set:

This was the most difficult. I purposely asked for the hardest games they had and made sure to open the hottest girls that were in the club because I wanted to prove that what we teach works.

I figured that the more the girls hated me the more impressive it would be when I turned it around so I opened with "You guys look like a bunch of retards, are you cool though?" The reaction was exactly what I expected, they got pissed and asked me to leave. I acted unfazed and kept talking, again using my subtext, to convince them that I actually WAS cool. Chris was spot on about me interrupting and ignoring the target, she wasnt the hottest one of the group but she gave me the most guff, so I figured it would look more impressive to turn her around. I kino'd her friends just enough to build rapport and a bit of a jealousy plot (see the upcoming interview series where Tenmagnet, Braddock and I talk about jealousy plots) Her hot friends actually got upset at the end when I ignored them for her, attempting to sabotage me by saying "Thats weird" and actively trying to pull her away hahaha.

Result: I used textbook on this one as opposed to my more natural method in the second set. I figured it would look the best given that I open with a huge handicap (ie a terrible neg). She went from hating me to kissing me in less than 3 mins, so that says a lot about how effective textbook can be when used properly.

Keep in mind that my "game" isn't really like what was shown on the show. In reality im much more natural and I use almost no routines. Now thats not to say that routines are bad, they're not, they're extremely helpful. But after you use routines long enough you start to realize that you don't need them.

 

[Stéphane]

That was aswome game!

 

[Stéphane]

Where do I sign up for Cajun conferences? We're both acadian i'm sure he'll give me a deal.

 

[Daddy The Pimp]

thanks for vid. but very poor quality

 

[DJDamage]

Where do I sign up for Cajun conferences? We're both acadian i'm sure he'll give me a deal.

The sad reality is that everything and more is written on sosuave for free, all you have to do is go out there and try.

If you want someone to go with you word for word, spoon feed you everything so you can pay for it and he will literarly push you into a group of girls then be my guest.

You don't want to be him, you want to have his success and that will come through trial and error, otherwise you probably will end up like his goofy student who embarrassed himself on the show.

Imitation is suicide.

 

[ChrizZ]

The sad reality is that everything and more is written on sosuave for free, all you have to do is go out there and try.

If you want someone to go with you word for word, spoon feed you everything so you can pay for it and he will literarly push you into a group of girls then be my guest.

You don't want to be him, you want to have his success and that will come through trial and error, otherwise you probably will end up like his goofy student who embarrassed himself on the show.

Imitation is suicide.

exactly!

Anybody of us on here would be good with women if we did thousands and thousands of approaches like that guy.

 

[Stéphane]

W.e. my game is pretty decent, but he didn't even get rejected once, and his sucess rate is 95% he said. I can always improve my game, and the reason I would like to get a seminar, it's too meet a real PUA, and see what they can do for myself.

 

[Lord Shinra]

W.e. my game is pretty decent, but he didn't even get rejected once, and his sucess rate is 95% he said. I can always improve my game, and the reason I would like to get a seminar, it's too meet a real PUA, and see what they can do for myself.

He said and He did are always two very different things.

 

[Snow Plowman]

His game is real solid, like others said you can go around and piece everything together...but that's many hours spent looking through the pile of fluff and bad advice. Yea there are a few classic writings but there are still small pieces written by lesser known people that more known people have implemented.

This is why I don't knock people who go to bootcamps, because it will speed there process up 100x faster and especially if the person plans on doing this for years its a great investment.

Basically your getting the instructor or instructor's most potent stuff so instead of spending hours trying to look through the fluff, stuff like a bootcamp could easily speed up the process.

Imagine being a ceo of some company do you actually think you have time to spend many hours a day looking for the good articles and tid bits.

Of course if your 12...you can sit there all day looking for all the good stuff lol.

 

[Stéphane]

Yeah, I'm basicaly at the point where I need to see real pros in action. Sure, I can read a bunch of articles, and try to improve my game by myself. It would make more sence to see a PUA who can point some of my flaws.

 

[Microphone Fiend]

his stuff was nice, I saw it on tv. The only thing that was kinda iffy was his ejecting after the close. He leaves on a high note but the way he leaves isnt smooth or romantic or memorable. I wasnt cringing coz it wasnt terrible, but compared to the rest of his game, it was lacking a little.

 

[LeComteDeMonteCristo]

his stuff was nice, I saw it on tv. The only thing that was kinda iffy was his ejecting after the close. He leaves on a high note but the way he leaves isnt smooth or romantic or memorable. I wasnt cringing coz it wasnt terrible, but compared to the rest of his game, it was lacking a little.

I know what you mean. I think this has a lot to do with the three minute time constraints they were under.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

his stuff was nice, I saw it on tv. The only thing that was kinda iffy was his ejecting after the close. He leaves on a high note but the way he leaves isnt smooth or romantic or memorable. I wasnt cringing coz it wasnt terrible, but compared to the rest of his game, it was lacking a little.

Why would he need to change his exit? He created rapport, made them comfortable, they became interested and he closed. Why would he need to do anything else? Actually I think if he would have been romantic at the end of these sets he would have lessened the value he earlier established.

 

[SLY]

Why would he need to change his exit? He created rapport, made them comfortable, they became interested and he closed. Why would he need to do anything else? Actually I think if he would have been romantic at the end of these sets he would have lessened the value he earlier established.

exactly, that non-chalant attitude is the way to go.

 

[Microphone Fiend]

Why would he need to change his exit? He created rapport, made them comfortable, they became interested and he closed. Why would he need to do anything else? Actually I think if he would have been romantic at the end of these sets he would have lessened the value he earlier established.

No, he created attraction not rapport. Granted he did the palm reading but in a 3 minute time limit there is little/no real rapport you can get. He almost blew himself out of the 1st approach because she was too attracted, if he had rapport, she would have been ready to give him the number even if she was extremely attracted. 2nd time was on point with ejecting. The 3rd was not as bad as i initially thought looking back on it. He says "I'll talk to you...soon" and then they go their separate ways.

When I said 'be more romantic' that was a poor choice of words. I didn't mean serenade them or act like they are the most beautiful woman in the world, but when he ejects the first approach and the third, it is as if he is already walking away as he starts to wind down. It looks like he is off to the races looking for the next target. Imo he needs to display to these women that they are not the 8th girl he picked up from the club this night although this arguably will spike their IL even more. I guess it is just a difference in tactics more than a fault in seduction in the end. I would be going for rapport and something deeper hopefully and he goes for the playful guy having fun and meeting people

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

No, he created attraction not rapport. Granted he did the palm reading but in a 3 minute time limit there is little/no real rapport you can get. He almost blew himself out of the 1st approach because she was too attracted, if he had rapport, she would have been ready to give him the number even if she was extremely attracted. 2nd time was on point with ejecting. The 3rd was not as bad as i initially thought looking back on it. He says "I'll talk to you...soon" and then they go their separate ways.

You're confusing rapport with comfort. Guys in the forum will tell you that they can approach a woman and chat her up with mad rapport but because she didn't feel comfortable with them, she either wouldn't give them her number or give them a wrong number. Rapport is the small talk which takes only a few seconds in order to establish a mutual commonality, that's it. Women won't give a guy her number on rapport alone.

 

[Stéphane]

Finally, someone who gets it.