"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Zman1

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I was very pleased to see a girl I admired in highschool, single, and on myspace. She is two years older than me. She is now 25 I'm 23.

I never talked to her back then because I was a teenager and afraid of rejection. I added her as a buddy on myspace and wrote her an email. I told her she looked familiar. She wrote back saying the same as well, she then asked how I was and so forth.

I wrote her back a short email saying how I am happy with my job and a college grad. She replied with an email and said she enjoys her job and at the end asked me to meet up with her at a club tonight. I wrote her back and said I am busy and would like to meet her some other time. At the end I asked for her phone number.

We will see what happens from here. Trying to use the Doc Love system on her.

I will keep you posted!
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Gonzalo

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Originally posted by Zman1
Trying to use the Doc Love system on her.
Well that's something I haven't heard in a while...

Like my cousing, Sal "The Fish" Gonzales would say, Old school, ladies and gentlemen.

G
 

Dust 2 Dust

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Good move not going to the club. Clubs are horrible places to go for a first meeting-too many amogs,****blocks,and loud awful music. Try to get her somewhere where you can get some face time with her.
 

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I think it shows I am desparate and have no life as well. Going to that club is a sucker move most guys take. I agree not a good place for a first meeting. I think she is obviously interested if she made that offer. We will see if she responds with her phone number.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Congrats. Hope you remember to kino it up where ever you may go and to keep eye contact. Oh yeah and today I noticed something that I apparently have been doing for awhile but did not notice. When I go to show a lady something,ie in a different room,I grab them by the hand(not to tight) and escort them. Not major but the small kinos add up.
 

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Well its monday. She was on myspace yesterday and this morning. Still no response to the email sent on friday afternoon asking for her number. I am sending no follow up emails or messages. The ball is in her court with the phone number question. If she is truly interested then she will give it. If not then she wont. I figure I will give it a couple days before I officially write her off.


I was just wondering as to your thoughts of why women would want to meet up at a music club like that without giving her phone number. Do you think it is a test to weed out a desparate guy? Or the fact if she met me and didnt like she would get lost amongst the other people? I still say meeting a woman at a bar or club is the kiss of death.

I think the best thing i did was countering with an email asking for her number. Its like calling her out on a bluff and seeing if she really wants to meet to begin with.
 

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ssssssssssuccesssssssssssssssssssssssss!!!!


A half hour after posting she emails me back with her phone number. Asked how my weekend was as well.
 

Warlord

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Originally posted by Zman1
I think it shows I am desparate and have no life as well. Going to that club is a sucker move most guys take. I agree not a good place for a first meeting. I think she is obviously interested if she made that offer. We will see if she responds with her phone number.
If you have the time, go ahead. If you want to expand your social circle, go ahead. But if you're prideful you'll think like you do, but it won't tell others you are not desperate.
 

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Congrats on the number, but that is the first step of many, hopefully they will all go as smoothly :) Good luck!
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Zman1

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I will keep you all posted. Now, 5-9 days before I call. I never call on a friday or saturday in the beginning. More than likely it will be this upcoming sunday evening.
 

TheInfamousCBear

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Originally posted by Zman1

I was just wondering as to your thoughts of why women would want to meet up at a music club like that without giving her phone number.
So if she doesnt like you she can get away from you or salvage the night with some other dude...
 

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I was just wondering as to your thoughts of why women would want to meet up at a music club like that without giving her phone number.
Free admission, free drinks, lots of attention from horny men.

I never call on a friday or saturday in the beginning.
Nothing wrong with calling Saturday during the day. I commonly call women on Saturdays around 1pm to set something up for Sunday. Usually they're bored watching TV, waiting for Saturday night to hurry up.
 

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I agree with that bit about Sat afternoon, Shiftkey. I find that between noon and 1pm women are almost always home (unless they're working.)
 

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I called her yesterday, saturday afternoon at 12:30. It rang and rang to her voicemail. I left a message stating "This is so and so I am calling to see whats up. I will try and reach you at another time."

Thats where we are. I figure if she doesnt call back I will give one last try tuesday evening. If her voicemail picks up I will leave my number and thats it. I will then write her off.

Btw I am still trolling for strange!
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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I called her back tonight, tuesday. I got her voicemail once again. I think she was just teasing and leading me on. I've written her off.
 

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You shouldn't have left a message on her voicemail. I think this is a huge mistake guys make. She can replay it, analyze it and her mind will make it mean so many things to her you have no idea. Even a simple, neat message like the one you left.

And by calling her back before she got back to you. That's you:2, her:0. You are no longer a challange. She knows you are interested and feels like she already won you over.

Write her off as you said, but if she contacts you again, just be cool about it and act indifferent.

Btw, I like meeting girls in bars/clubs for the first time. Then I can ignore them and convey social-proof. Good to make HER chase YOU.
 
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