My wing asked me a great question: How can we prove game works?

[ontheverge123]

Spoke to my wing tonight and he really made me think..

How can we prove we’ve made no changes in appearance, nor life, stayed the way we've always been and game would still work?

How can we prove a female wasn't already attracted to us when we approach her and got her number etc. yet attribute it to game?

Game is the belief you can make chicks like you over other men. Especially men with no game.

What proof does anyone on this board have that game actually works and it's not simply the female who is choosing? Let alone that one man's game will work on every chick or for every other dude?

I don’t believe anyone can prove scientifically that game works because some females will like you but others won't and what works for one guy may not work for ten others.

It all boils down to how attractive you are in taking care of yourself to the best of your ability, being successful in your life for yourself FIRST and not being a pushover for any female.


I'm not sure how to answer these questions myself.

 

[Lotus Effect]

Well. It always come from inside of you first. No doubt about that!

But then, since you want to be empyrical, you have to ask yourself

How many girls I've f*cked while I was unnaware?

How many girls I've f*cked after I was game aware?

It is this simple!

I guess everyone's answer will be pretty much the same. But to give you some statistcs

Prior to game I've f*cked something around 10 to 15 girls.
This happened while I was 18 to 21 y/o

I got game aware, f*cked 4 chicks in a year, and got into a LTR

I'm 8 months single now, and I've f*cked 8 chicks.

Let's disconsider those four chicks, and the LTR chick.

Pre game I've f*cked 0,41 chicks per month, which is a girl in every 3 months!
Post game I'm f*cking 1 chick per month, which is 3 girls in every 3 months! (lol)

So, basically, I've trippled my score! (And I've got into a LTR, a thing that never happened before I was game aware)

All of this disconsidering making out sessions, BJs and HandJobs. Things that I've lost track long ago!
Also, considering I've f*cked exactly 15 girls in my AFC era, which may be unlikely!

Bottomline, It Works!

 

[zekko]

Okay Lotus, but let's play devil's advocate. How do you know you having banged more women after you were 21 simply because you were older, more mature, and more experienced? Or maybe game notwithstanding, perhaps you are more focused on banging more women now? Or perhaps ages 21-25 are more prime banging years than 18-21?

Anyway, I disagree with the OP's definition of game. He says game is the belief that you can get women to like you over other men. I say it is the way you interact with women, especially with the view toward attracting and seducing them. Everybody has their own way of going about this. Rollo used to be fond of saying everyone has game, even betas have beta game.

 

[CrimsonPanther]

How can we prove we’ve made no changes in appearance, nor life, stayed the way we've always been and game would still work?

How can we prove a female wasn't already attracted to us when we approach her and got her number etc. yet attribute it to game?

Game is the belief you can make chicks like you over other men. Especially men with no game.

game works by definition
we call things that work, GAME. this includes natural or learned ways to interact with others so that you can get what you want, to have an appearance that is at least not appalling, etc.
IMPROVING your game, however means you can do these things with a wider array of women, more easily, and more consciously.

 

[Atom Smasher]

If game entails improving social skills, becoming more dominant, improving appearance to convey self-respect, and being a leader, how can that not affect how women perceive you?

 

[zekko]

If game entails improving social skills, becoming more dominant, improving appearance to convey self-respect, and being a leader, how can that not affect how women perceive you?

When I was in my 20s I was highly motivated to improve my life, fitness, and social skills, and I had never even heard of "game". I can't imagine a guy being in his 20s and not being concerned with all these things, but I guess they must be out there.

Regarding the dominance and "being a leader" bit, I wonder how many guys take this part of game and overdo it or misapply it, and just become giant douchebags because of it? I'm sure some people become callous, sociopathic, rude, and self centered while learning game.

For example, one of the things gurus tell you is to occupy the central, and best, part of the table. I'm sure a lot of guys who always have to be the center of attention wear out their welcome after awhile.

 

[Atom Smasher]

Ah yes, but there's a difference between a man who understands power and influence and purposefully uses it to his advantage, and the man who "always has to be the center of attention.

The former has a higher awareness and positions himself as he sees fit in a natural, smooth-flowing way. The latter is coarse and insecure and it eventually shows.

I always say, the principals of influence and leadership (and even "game") are expressed overtly and coarsely in order to get the principle across. It's up to the individual to incorporate the principles into his life in a trimmed, calibrated way, according to his core personality.

 

[Vice]

Here's a better question:

Why does it matter to you so much to prove that it "works"? Why not just go through the process and enjoy the results?

 

[Lotus Effect]

Okay Lotus, but let's play devil's advocate. How do you know you having banged more women after you were 21 simply because you were older, more mature, and more experienced? Or maybe game notwithstanding, perhaps you are more focused on banging more women now? Or perhaps ages 21-25 are more prime banging years than 18-21?

It is a good point zekko.

But for me 'the game' made me crawl out of my confort zone. The other exterior factors may have trully helped, but nothing would have mattered, if instead of going out and learning through trial and error I stood home alone, playing video games, jerking off waiting for the weekend to get wasted in order to give some liquid courage (Which, most of the times, never happened, leaving me drunk on a corner with a drink in my hand as my shield)

I believe being game aware improved my life in so many levels, that I cannot stress out how great was for me the day I've learned about it, and how lucky I was finding that out, completely out of the blue!

 

[JoeMarron]

Charisma is game, social skills is game, charm is game, confidence is game. One would be a fool to argue that this doesn't help when it comes to attracting women.