My vision

[Super Hero]

If you think about it, the "Social Value" that the girl brings to the table is her looks. Period. It's her looks, and that really is the extent of her Social Value. Sure, it's great if the girl has money, humor, intelligence... etc... but if she doesn't have LOOKS, then her social power is going to be severely diminished, and that is just how the world works.

I have done a lot of thinking about just what, exactly, the Social Value really and truly IS that the guy brings to the table. I have considered most of these:

Looks
Clothes
Humor
Intelligence
Money
Job/Career
etc....

And all of those things are fine, they are great to have, but after approaching as many women as I have, I am struck with the thought, that:

The girl's value is in her looks, but the guy's social value is in his EMOTIONAL STATE.

Think about this, and you'll make a key insight into the game.

A guy who FEELS like he can't approach women will do everything he can to get looks, money, job, car, humor, routines... etc... but really, all that those things are... are just things -- tools, if you'd prefer to think of it that way -- that the guy uses to get himself into the emotional state where he feels like he can now approach women; where he now feels ENTITLED to open girls.

I ask you:

Does the girl really know what kind of a car you drove to the club? Does the girl have any idea how much money you have in the bank? Does she know the size of your paycheck?

No.

Only you know that stuff, but it's stuff that guys use to get themselves into state. The girl has no idea about ANY of this stuff -- the girl only knows what kind of state you're in.

The girl that you game has no idea about ANY of this stuff -- all she knows is that you are either IN state, or you are NOT IN STATE. Keep in mind here that I am referring to EMOTIONAL STATE. All of that looks/money/car/clothes stuff is really just an emotional crutch that most guys need so that they can put themselves in the emotional state where they feel like they can now approach women. Without all of that stuff that society says you need, most guys have NO game.

What I am trying to say, is that....

The game, basically, is played in your head.

When you are in state, you can storm right over to a group of 10 girls, and you can say, "I hope you guys are cool... I only hang with cool people...." and you'll get an AWESOME responses from the girls. The girl can tell when you are in state, and she also can tell when you are NOT in state.

To quote something I wrote before:

Observe that a girl will generally fall into whatever emotional state a guy is in. If a guy is in a really bad evil foul mood, and he comes home from work to his girl, and the girl is in a really happy mood, notice that it is very VERY hard for the girl to stay happy. She'll fall into a bad mood that matches her guy.

However, if a guy is really happy, and he comes home from work to his girl, and she is in a bad mood, notice that the girl will become more happy, to match the emotional state of her guy, even if she was in a bad mood before. The girl's emotional state will follow the emotional state of the guy.

Notice that the girl is getting her emotional state from the people around her.

So, since seduction requires that the girl experience positive emotions in order to proceed, the guy simply has to go there first, emotionally. He has to be funny, positive, upbeat, Alpha, fun, unshakable.

In the seduction process -- and it IS a process, guys -- the girl can sense that she is emotionally unlocking, so, she throws a ****-test at the guy, to take him out of his very positive emotional state. Most guys will react to this by going out of state -- they will allow their mood to go sour. That's why girls do it -- because it works. The girl can then let her emotional state sour along with the guy, and kill the seduction.

Note that I don't think any of this is a conscious thing, it just happens as a part of the girls evolutionary programming.

Example:

Girl: "You are such a nerd. Stop talking to me and go away."

Many guys here would let their state slip into negativity, and a lot of guys would "next" the girl here, saying, "she's a *****." The reality is that you can't next a girl until you sleep with her. If you next a girl before you sleep with her, the reality is that she is the one who just "next-ed" YOU.

This is why passing ****-tests is so important. Passing ****-tests really just means that you keep your state.

Solid response would be:

Girl: "You are such a nerd. Stop talking to me and go away."

Guy: (keeping a positive emotional state, smiling): "Yeah, I'm a nerd. That's why you love me. Don't be jealous just because I'm cooler than you!" / subject change / "Hey, check this out... I know this guy, and he's going out with this girl, but they are both actually seeing other people, and the thing is that if I tell either of them...." (continue gaming here with emotional-content-based girl-relevant blah-blah-blah).

You just blew past this test. Ten seconds later it will be forgotten, as the girl listens to your next guy-girl story which is, to her, girl-relevant, as it has emotional content.

Think of it like this:

Where I work, there is a very good looking girl, and a typical beta-guy who has been chasing after her for MONTHS. She has been blowing him off for the whole time.

"She's a *****," he'll say.

Actually, she's not a *****. Just really good at throwing out a lot of ****-tests. No girl is a *****, not even this one.

When a guy says, "That girl is a *****," what he is really saying is that the girl is able to change his emotional state. She puts him in a foul mood. She places him in a negative state of mind. From that negative state of mind, he then can't place her in a positive state of mind (he can't emotionally lead her), and the whole seduction process has died. He then feels angry and frustrated, not having the game or the social awareness to grasp the essence of what is actually happening.

On the other hand, I ignore this girl completely, except for the occasional moment where I'll walk past her (I have to because of work) and, as soon as she throws a *****y attitude at me (even for a moment), I'll say, "I wish you were more cool," or, "I wish you were more fun to be around," and I'll then walk off instantly.

She is now opening me pretty often. My state is totally non-reactive. I'm **** testing her, in return. At lunch, I'll say: "I don't know if you're really cool enough to eat at my table... this is like the cool kids table back in High School... I mean, you can tell it's the cool kid's table because I'm here."

Her emotional state gets so completely positive even after she spends just a short 10 minute coffee break with me, because I simply will not let her ruin my emotional state. "I love talking with you," she said to me a few days ago, "you just make me feel so bright...!" Notice that I'm not actually doing ANYTHING except holding my positive emotional state... heck, I'm not even gaming at all.

In order for seduction to arrive at the end-game, the girl has to be in a certain, positive emotional state. What this means, is, that the guy has to go, emotionally, to that state first, and HE HAS TO ****ING STAY THERE. The girl will then follow the "Emotional Lead" of the guy.

The girl will try and throw the guy out of his STATE, but as long as the guy stays true to his STATE, the girl really can't kill the seduction -- her STATE follows his STATE. She actually has no defense against a guy who refuses to leave his STATE.

Note that any kind of nervousness, or social awkwardness, is also enough to take the girl out of state.

I think that the whole game of the girl trying to throw the guy out of STATE did EVOLVE, as girls needed to mate with the TRIBAL LEADERS. These guys were the only guys who wouldn't go out of STATE.

Alpha males have much more of an unchanging state.

Beta males have emotional states which change from moment to moment.

This is why girls sleep with more Alpha's than Beta's -- they get caught in the Alpha's STATE and they can't shake it.

Beta males get a *****y attitude from a girl, and go into a bad mood, which means that they can't then place the girl in the emotional state that they need to in order to bring her to SEDUCTION.

Okay.

That's it.

I gotta get some sleep.

Truly hope you all are well.

I hope this post made sense to somebody -- I've been awake now for 30 hours and I'm beyond exhausted.

 

[jacob]

If you think about it, the "Social Value" that the girl brings to the table is her looks. Period. It's her looks, and that really is the extent of her Social Value. Sure, it's great if the girl has money, humor, intelligence... etc... but if she doesn't have LOOKS, then her social power is going to be severely diminished, and that is just how the world works.

I have done a lot of thinking about just what, exactly, the Social Value really and truly IS that the guy brings to the table. I have considered most of these:

Looks
Clothes
Humor
Intelligence
Money
Job/Career
etc....

And all of those things are fine, they are great to have, but after approaching as many women as I have, I am struck with the thought, that:

The girl's value is in her looks, but the guy's social value is in his EMOTIONAL STATE.

Think about this, and you'll make a key insight into the game.

A guy who FEELS like he can't approach women will do everything he can to get looks, money, job, car, humor, routines... etc... but really, all that those things are... are just things -- tools, if you'd prefer to think of it that way -- that the guy uses to get himself into the emotional state where he feels like he can now approach women; where he now feels ENTITLED to open girls.

I ask you:

Does the girl really know what kind of a car you drove to the club? Does the girl have any idea how much money you have in the bank? Does she know the size of your paycheck?

No.

Only you know that stuff, but it's stuff that guys use to get themselves into state. The girl has no idea about ANY of this stuff -- the girl only knows what kind of state you're in.

The girl that you game has no idea about ANY of this stuff -- all she knows is that you are either IN state, or you are NOT IN STATE. Keep in mind here that I am referring to EMOTIONAL STATE. All of that looks/money/car/clothes stuff is really just an emotional crutch that most guys need so that they can put themselves in the emotional state where they feel like they can now approach women. Without all of that stuff that society says you need, most guys have NO game.

What I am trying to say, is that....

The game, basically, is played in your head.

When you are in state, you can storm right over to a group of 10 girls, and you can say, "I hope you guys are cool... I only hang with cool people...." and you'll get an AWESOME responses from the girls. The girl can tell when you are in state, and she also can tell when you are NOT in state.

To quote something I wrote before:

Observe that a girl will generally fall into whatever emotional state a guy is in. If a guy is in a really bad evil foul mood, and he comes home from work to his girl, and the girl is in a really happy mood, notice that it is very VERY hard for the girl to stay happy. She'll fall into a bad mood that matches her guy.

However, if a guy is really happy, and he comes home from work to his girl, and she is in a bad mood, notice that the girl will become more happy, to match the emotional state of her guy, even if she was in a bad mood before. The girl's emotional state will follow the emotional state of the guy.

Notice that the girl is getting her emotional state from the people around her.

So, since seduction requires that the girl experience positive emotions in order to proceed, the guy simply has to go there first, emotionally. He has to be funny, positive, upbeat, Alpha, fun, unshakable.

In the seduction process -- and it IS a process, guys -- the girl can sense that she is emotionally unlocking, so, she throws a ****-test at the guy, to take him out of his very positive emotional state. Most guys will react to this by going out of state -- they will allow their mood to go sour. That's why girls do it -- because it works. The girl can then let her emotional state sour along with the guy, and kill the seduction.

Note that I don't think any of this is a conscious thing, it just happens as a part of the girls evolutionary programming.

Example:

Girl: "You are such a nerd. Stop talking to me and go away."

Many guys here would let their state slip into negativity, and a lot of guys would "next" the girl here, saying, "she's a *****." The reality is that you can't next a girl until you sleep with her. If you next a girl before you sleep with her, the reality is that she is the one who just "next-ed" YOU.

This is why passing ****-tests is so important. Passing ****-tests really just means that you keep your state.

Solid response would be:

Girl: "You are such a nerd. Stop talking to me and go away."

Guy: (keeping a positive emotional state, smiling): "Yeah, I'm a nerd. That's why you love me. Don't be jealous just because I'm cooler than you!" / subject change / "Hey, check this out... I know this guy, and he's going out with this girl, but they are both actually seeing other people, and the thing is that if I tell either of them...." (continue gaming here with emotional-content-based girl-relevant blah-blah-blah).

You just blew past this test. Ten seconds later it will be forgotten, as the girl listens to your next guy-girl story which is, to her, girl-relevant, as it has emotional content.

Think of it like this:

Where I work, there is a very good looking girl, and a typical beta-guy who has been chasing after her for MONTHS. She has been blowing him off for the whole time.

"She's a *****," he'll say.

Actually, she's not a *****. Just really good at throwing out a lot of ****-tests. No girl is a *****, not even this one.

When a guy says, "That girl is a *****," what he is really saying is that the girl is able to change his emotional state. She puts him in a foul mood. She places him in a negative state of mind. From that negative state of mind, he then can't place her in a positive state of mind (he can't emotionally lead her), and the whole seduction process has died. He then feels angry and frustrated, not having the game or the social awareness to grasp the essence of what is actually happening.

On the other hand, I ignore this girl completely, except for the occasional moment where I'll walk past her (I have to because of work) and, as soon as she throws a *****y attitude at me (even for a moment), I'll say, "I wish you were more cool," or, "I wish you were more fun to be around," and I'll then walk off instantly.

She is now opening me pretty often. My state is totally non-reactive. I'm **** testing her, in return. At lunch, I'll say: "I don't know if you're really cool enough to eat at my table... this is like the cool kids table back in High School... I mean, you can tell it's the cool kid's table because I'm here."

Her emotional state gets so completely positive even after she spends just a short 10 minute coffee break with me, because I simply will not let her ruin my emotional state. "I love talking with you," she said to me a few days ago, "you just make me feel so bright...!" Notice that I'm not actually doing ANYTHING except holding my positive emotional state... heck, I'm not even gaming at all.

In order for seduction to arrive at the end-game, the girl has to be in a certain, positive emotional state. What this means, is, that the guy has to go, emotionally, to that state first, and HE HAS TO ****ING STAY THERE. The girl will then follow the "Emotional Lead" of the guy.

The girl will try and throw the guy out of his STATE, but as long as the guy stays true to his STATE, the girl really can't kill the seduction -- her STATE follows his STATE. She actually has no defense against a guy who refuses to leave his STATE.

Note that any kind of nervousness, or social awkwardness, is also enough to take the girl out of state.

I think that the whole game of the girl trying to throw the guy out of STATE did EVOLVE, as girls needed to mate with the TRIBAL LEADERS. These guys were the only guys who wouldn't go out of STATE.

Alpha males have much more of an unchanging state.

Beta males have emotional states which change from moment to moment.

This is why girls sleep with more Alpha's than Beta's -- they get caught in the Alpha's STATE and they can't shake it.

Beta males get a *****y attitude from a girl, and go into a bad mood, which means that they can't then place the girl in the emotional state that they need to in order to bring her to SEDUCTION.

Okay.

That's it.

I gotta get some sleep.

Truly hope you all are well.

I hope this post made sense to somebody -- I've been awake now for 30 hours and I'm beyond exhausted.

This is pretty solid explanation of inner game. Good tip.

 

[JonJaper]

Good post... this is very relevant for the bootcamp we're on right now.

 

[Super Hero]

I was thiking about something today and wanted to share it with you.

It's about STATE and how we PROJECT it.

Whenever you are among people you act like a radio station.

Even if you don't talk to the person that is near you you're still interacting. Imagine yourself in an elevator with strangers, for example. There is some kind of dynamic going on, and silence is also a form of communication. You also know that 90% rule.

Well, everyone is a radio station who sends radio waves in a certain frequency.

Everytime you are interacting with someone you are broadcasting your STATE, your music.

And the people around you are listening to it and reacting to it.

Girls listen better to your music than men. Girls are more sensitive. They are better at reading your STATE.

And girls react to our music. They start dancing when we broadcast something they like.

So all we have to do is make sure that we are sending the right music.

We can broadcast sexy music, romantic music, chillout tunes but also thrash metal and a lot of other ****ty music styles (sorry thrash metal fans).

Again, the girls will react to your music (STATE).

The question now is: how do we broadcast the "right" music, the "good vibe", the stuff that get girls to dance?

The answer is not easy. Body language, facial expression, voice tonality, calmness sometimes, high-energy sometimes, dominance (clear sound and loud volume), humor, sexuality, and of course the lyrics (themes of the conversation).

We have to send a mix of things (notes) that together compose a solid tune.

Which means being congruent.

If you try to broadcast conflicting notes (like good body language but nervous facial expression) you'll probably send a weird noise that will creep out the girl and get her to change the radio station (walk away).

 

[Super Hero]

Conversation:

STOP thinking that ANYTHING you say to the girl has to make any ****ing sense at all. It DOESN'T. Let me say that again: NOTHING YOU SAY TO THE GIRL NEEDS TO MAKE ANY ****ING SENSE WHATSOEVER. 99% of my convo with girls is pure, incomprehensible, vague NONSENSE.

In the situation described by the thread starter, all you need is to say something like, "...we can create anything we want to create...."

In fact, the more vague it is, the better.

The less "logical" sense it makes, the better.

I believe that a major flaw in the game of most guys is their NEED for things to make sense -- that there needs to be some sort of logical flow to the convo. In fact, any attempt by the girl to take things logical is an attempt to state-change you, the guy -- and seductions simply don't occur from a "logical" state -- the frame of "logically convincing" a girl to do anything is purely a Beta-male-doormat frame.

Just as you'd resist the girl attempting to take things logical, also resist your own desire to be logical. Beta-males will attempt to "logically convince" the girl -- an Alpha does NO SUCH THING.

"...we can create anything we want to create...."
"...I care how you feel...."
"...I think we both feel the same about this...."

Try this:

No logic.
No sensible order to the convo.
No reasoning.

Use non-sequiturs -- literally, your responses to her do not AT ALL need to "follow" from anything she says.

It's a dialog of retards, and make no mistake about it: she CRAVES it

 

[backbreaker]

dammit i was on the way out but i happened to read this post... the DJ in me can't let this slide

If you think about it, the "Social Value" that the girl brings to the table is her looks. Period.

you sound like a guy at the horse track who keeps losing, and tries to rationalize his losing by simplifying the game of horse racing.

IF you think the only thing a woman brings to the table is her looks you have a LONG way to go and that's quite an immature mindset.

if women weren't our equals,l there would be over 30k members on this forum and tens of thousands of pages, hell a whole multi million dollar industry buitl upon the accuation of these lower value creatures.

simply trying to trick yourself into thinking you are better than the woman who you are attracted to, isn't going to work.

A guy who FEELS like he can't approach women will do everything he can to get looks, money, job, car, humor, routines... etc... but really, all that those things are... are just things -- tools, if you'd prefer to think of it that way /QUOTE]

you have been so scorn by women, that you now equate every possible acquirement in life, to the consumption of and acquisition of women. sit back and think about that **** for a minute.

Does the girl really know what kind of a car you drove to the club? Does the girl have any idea how much money you have in the bank? Does she know the size of your paycheck?

NO but most have a pretty good guess as to the way you carry yourself.

Guy: (keeping a positive emotional state, smiling): "Yeah, I'm a nerd. That's why you love me. Don't be jealous just because I'm cooler than you!" / subject change / "Hey, check this out... I know this guy, and he's going out with this girl, but they are both actually seeing other people, and the thing is that if I tell either of them...." (continue gaming here with emotional-content-based girl-relevant blah-blah-blah).

You just blew past this test. Ten seconds later it will be forgotten, as the girl listens to your next guy-girl story which is, to her, girl-relevant, as it has emotional content.

rotfl in what screwy make believe world does this consist of passing a **** test lol? do you even understand the concept of a **** test? this is not a **** test, this is a rejection.


she has already told you covertly that she doesn't think of you in a sexual manner. she thinks of you as the guy who she needs to call when her computer is broken. at that present time there isn't **** you are going to do to change that.

the mistake you making is thinking every "game" or "battle" is winnable. if a woman says some **** like that you just move on to a battle you can win. there will always be battles that you can't win for various reasons.

Where I work, there is a very good looking girl, and a typical beta-guy who has been chasing after her for MONTHS. She has been blowing him off for the whole time.

"She's a *****," he'll say.

Actually, she's not a *****. Just really good at throwing out a lot of ****-tests. No girl is a *****, not even this one.

again, you have no conept of what a **** test is. this is a woman who isn't interested in you.

a **** test can only take place where there is an actual attraction. a **** test is a qualifing move. it may or may not be intentional. a woman you are fvcking might let you know she is still seeing her ex. that's a **** test. a woman you had 2 really good dates with might not return your calls intentionally for a few days to see how you act. that's a **** test. blowing someone off and not paying them any attention is overt rejection.

She is now opening me pretty often. My state is totally non-reactive. I'm **** testing her, in return. At lunch, I'll say: "I don't know if you're really cool enough to eat at my table... this is like the cool kids table back in High School... I mean, you can tell it's the cool kid's table because I'm here."

Her emotional state gets so completely positive even after she spends just a short 10 minute coffee break with me, because I simply will not let her ruin my emotional state. "I love talking with you," she said to me a few days ago, "you just make me feel so bright...!" Notice that I'm not actually doing ANYTHING except holding my positive emotional state... heck, I'm not even gaming at all.

i would bet you 50 bucks if this chick actually saw this post she would spit her coffee out with laughter. you are seirously overanalyzing this ****. lol, you got all this by stalking someone and talking to someone on a coffee break. good lawd

lpha males have much more of an unchanging state.

Beta males have emotional states which change from moment to moment.

This is why girls sleep with more Alpha's than Beta's -- they get caught in the Alpha's STATE and they can't shake it.

Beta males get a *****y attitude from a girl, and go into a bad mood, which means that they can't then place the girl in the emotional state that they need to in order to bring her to SEDUCTION.

you have a very warped view of what you think an alpha /beta is and what the difference is. you also have a very idatlized version of what a woman is.

I like to think, that I live by a pretty good DJish standard. I dont' think i'm the end all be all of DJism or anything but I think i have this **** down better than your avg joe. getting mad has nothing to do with being an alpha male. lol, a woman i was dating threw a vase at my head and i had to get stiches when I told her I didn't want to see her anymore, you think I'm not going to get pissed off lol? i had a woman who i never touched tell eveyrone i sexually abused her beucase i wouldn't go out with her. you think i wasn't pissed behind that?

sometimes, women do things that piss you off, that's not alpha, or beta, that's human nature.

being an alpha male simply means doing things on your terms. it has nothing whatsoever to do with your emotional state.

i hate to be so harsh, i really do, but you are seriously over analzying this **** to the point where it's somewhat disturbing.

while I might talk, my talk comes from being here for 10 years, putting the **** i have learned her to use, spinning plates, going out in the field, dealing with rejection, dealing with not getting rejected, posting my feedback, getting my head bashed in by the older posters when I fvck up, leanring the hard way sometimes.



look, we all come or came here, because at one point we had a serious problem in our life. we were either ***** deprived. either, it was because of a specific woman, or because of any women, we coudln't get the ***** we wanted. and i sat here and beat my head against the wall for at least 3 years, at least, until I finally realized, how much I did not know. instead of telling everyone what to do, i actually started listening and doing things as they were preached on here and dammit, i'll be dammed if i didn't start seeing the results here. sometimes you have to admit that you don't know what you don't know. there is nothing wrong with that. I can only be so harsh as i was the exact same guy, here what was it.. what is this 2011, 7 years ago, posting a field report about how a girl who I chased for 3 years was finally going to sleep with me and how everyone on here was wrong lol. because i sat there and i had my body language book and i had analyzed all the signs sand dammit i knew she was ready! even though she left my house at 4am and i didn't get so mjuch as a kiss.

but at the current rate your post is going, lol, freaking 4 paragraph post in regards to a 10 minute coffee break, no brah that's not going to work.

 

[YAboi]

Backbreaker is wrong. Over-analyzing and arguing to seem smart does not always mean you are. Oh and it's possible to be totally off the mark even with all those Green dots / rep points. The key is being able to admit ur wrong. In this case BB, close ur mouth go on shhhh.... Gently hushhhh....

 

[zekko]

a woman you are fvcking might let you know she is still seeing her ex. that's a **** test

That's a woman blowing her opportunity with me.

 

[Serg897]

I think backbreaker is too harsh with his criticism. Sure those examples of sh!t-tests arent great, but the overall message here about emotional control is a good one. An alpha keeps his mental state in check and is always in control of his actions while a beta will let his emotions control his actions.

 

[zekko]

The whole post is very RSD, actually. You can tell the OP has spent some time studying their methods. They have some good stuff.

The part about a woman's value being tied to her looks is nothing new. Don't they say that here all the time? Guys don't care about the girl's career or whatnot, their looks are what attracts? So I don't see anything wrong with that bit.

Now if you want to go deeper then you qualify them further. I am rather disgusted by slvts, for example. Though I have to admit I didn't mind them when I was younger
But for an LTR, no.