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my saturday night -1 girl 2 guys (not THAT kind of night)

LoneWolf

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some of you might know me as the idiot who fell in love too fast with a girl i just started seeing. so i decided to hit the clubs and stuff to get my mind off things. the night was meh. i dont even like clubbing or bars that much. just the music.

just to give you an idea of what im like around women or anyone for that matter. think bruce willis from the last boyscout. chilled out and laid back. if he needs to talk he will and confidently. if a woman talks to me cool, i'll make a good conversation out of it and flirt a bit. but i will never go out of my way to stick my face in the spotlight and fight for her attention. thats never been my style. dont care if i look like an idiot ive always had success being myself. if the girl likes me she will make effort to talk to me and hang with me.

anyway, i meet my friend who i havent seen in a long time. he picks me up, we go to his friends (a girl he hasnt seen in a couple years) and shes 20 years old. we are both 26. but he looks younger than me cause i have a buzz cut and stubble most times. anyway, we chillin at hers for a bit while she gets ready. now i didnt intend on hooking up or anything tonight. i just wanted to get out and chill. so i just being my cool chilled out self as usual. i whip out funnies often too. i get slight eye contact from her through the night. laughs, kino, nothing too heavy. this is happening in her house and in the car on the way to some stupid teenager party .. no offence to the young people here but i can't stand hanging out with teenagers or early 20's. they really bother me with their boring bullsh1t. i just wanted to go so bad to the club and listen to music. through out the night i tease her a bit or be a little ****y and get a couple "fuk you" with a laugh cause sometimes i like to be mean to girls but in a fun way. just to make the night a lil interesting. anyway, we do finally leave the sh1tass party and hit the club and im just chilling at the dance floor and casually dancing.

= during that party she was talking to this guy who later she said was cute but BORING. so really, looks matters abit but you need to complete the game with personality. =

= at one point he said in the car "ur too old <my name> for <her name>" because i said something funny and she laughed. and "dont worry about <my name> i know he looks creepy but hes alright." i always just laugh these off like i dont care but deep down i dont like that he's doing it. he does this all night with little comments as if he wants to put me down infront of her. nice friend huh? =

now my so called friend.. he always starts acting different around girls and me. he's one of them guys who tries to push you out of the spotlight if the girl seems to find you interesting. he pretty much was all over her and touching her, putting his arm around her and hugging her. i guess she just wanted to be nice and let him. they known each other for a long time. every now and then i turn around and make a few comments to her and at one stage comment on how beautiful her eyes were (not trying to hit on her . im just honest) and she smiles and says thank you. i tell her lets dance and we do after a while because she wants to get drunk first and has some shots with my friend. now the more he drinks the more of an ass he is, especially to me. he does not stop talking to her. he just yaps and yaps all the time maybe cause hes scared if he stops i'll start talking to her. ive know him for about 6 or more years but we dont hang out much. i was actually the one who gave him advice about girls when he was still a virgin (when he was actually a decent guy) but now that hes been out with girls he always talks himself up about he he fuks girls all the time. and i cant stand it. like he shows off to me everytime he gets laid.

anyway, the night goes on, he's still yappin away flirting with her and stuff. well he decides to talk to another random girl on the dance floor and im like, that was rude and i think she got a bit weird about that. not sure cause she was drunk but not loud and annoying kind of drunk. just chilled. anyway i grab her hand and take her to the dance floor and we dance for about 15 minutes. i just wanted to have fun, again, not tryin to hook up. i grab her hip once and turn her around for a laugh. i sat down after all that and said im havin a break. she did too. hes still blabbin away to the random girl. he comes back to sit down with us and he steals her attention again and i felt a bit dumb sitting there listening to boring crap and have no idea what they are on about. a lot of the time they kept whipping out their phones and looking at facebook. i was thinking wtf. this is stupid. so i just got up and went somewhere else in the club and scoped out a live band and danced a bit there. later on she finds me and told me i should of told her that i went she would of came.

now, im the type of guy who really hates trying to fight for a girl, like a competition. trying to get her attention. everytime i was with her alone he didnt like it and he's always been a jealous kind of person when i talk about a girl or if he knows a girl likes me. ive always been happy for him whenever he scores or i congratulate him. so him and her are talking to each other at the bar and im sitting there just watching people dance with my back toward them. occasionally i turn around and see what they are talking about. but its boring stuff and they talk a lot of sh1t. i think the problem with him was he kept trying to kiss her and make moves infront of me and she didn't like it. he was always all over her. probably too much and it started annoying her in the end.

anyway, we leave the club after a couple hours and the most he got was him kissing her cheek. he literally forced himself on her most of the night. anyway, me and her got a long pretty good when he WASNT talking or was taking a piss or something. on a conversation level that is. even though she'd touch me every now and then. i didnt think much of it anyway.

= also i dont know why but he always says stupid things to girls. he kept talking about her ex bf or guys she likes and also a guy got her number at the club and he kept saying over and over throughout the whole night "if that guy doesnt call u he's a dikhead." im thinking man wtf, why is he talking about other guys if he wants to screw her? ahh well. =

so for some reason we end up going to a stripper joint. this is my first time as ive never really felt the need to go there. not my kinda thing. i find strippers disgusting and they put me off. hot women, nice tits n body but meh. well again, for about an hour hes all over her talking and talking. ocassionaly she turns to me and we talk sometimes .. usually when he leaves us alone because thats pretty much the only time i get to open my mouth without his loud voice and constant yapping. i really do hate fighting over a girl so i always just let the guy have his way with the girl and i just remain to be my cool self.

anyway they didnt get a lap dance and we left to go to her house.

= when we caught a cab he's instantly like "<my name> get in the front!" im like "... sure" - again im not the one to fight with a guy to get the girl like "nah man you get in the front, im sitting with her" like a kids game. not my thing... well i know he wanted to try moves on her in the back seat. didnt work =
 
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She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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LoneWolf

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i kept to myself most of the night and was quiet but all of a sudden she got a little surprised what came out of my mouth. i was sitting next to a computer and well i asked if shes a computer person, does she use it much and i tell her i fix computers for a living and im the man to see about problems. she really opens her eyes and starts asking questions about her computer and i tell her a few things to fix it. then i tell her i also fix people as i use to be a massage therapist and she was diggin that. thats one thing that has almost always helped me score with the ladies. now my friend, for the first time the whole night shut up and was a lil shocked. he gets really fired up and jealous when girls dig me. im not a show off or anything like him .. thats just me being me. so i tell her to come sit here with me near the couch and ill give her a lil demo massage on the shoulders. she does and i tell her to take her coat off. she does. i brush her hair away and start to massage her shoulders and neck for about 5 minutes (now im use to this because i did it everyday for years so its nothin to me.) then hes like "WTF do you guys wanna fuk or what? should i leave you here?? whats goin on here?" im like "umm what? its just a friendly massage man chill out." well he got really jealous. he also asks her after the massage if she thinks im hot.. again, wtf? i felt like saying "dont answer that." i mean shes not gonna say something nasty infront of me so it was a dumb question. she said i was good looking but yeah. i didnt want her to answer that. made me and her feel awkward.

i tell her, ok thats it. and she pops up and goes back in the kitchen. started getting a few eyes from then on and we talk a bit infront of him. only cause she was talking to ME. again i dont go out of my way to get her attention. so anyway, he started really pulling some heavy moves now. he walks over to her and starts comparing his height and he tries to move in for a kiss saying "good height for kissing." but she aint havin any of that. i love when guys try plant moves on girls and im sittin there chilled out all cool and laughing inside .. its kind of pathetic when i see it.

so im like ok lets let her go to sleep its late and she gotta get up early. he gives her like two hugs and kisses her cheek. (earlier on he told me "IM GONNA FUK HER MAN." im like "ok cool.") but nope. didnt happen. i kissed her cheek and hugged and said goodbye, nice to meet you. and we left. now hes actually better when theres no girls around and we get along more. he just turns into a dikhead when theres a girl around. trying to steal all the attention like hes scared that ill get her. when i dont really care.
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= later on he also told me that he asked her if she likes me. he said she said hes cool but not my type. dont know if he just said that cause he was pissed off but i dont care either way. he's known to lie to me a few times. =

this story isnt really about that actual night. it's happened with me and a lot of so called friends. many guys do this to their friends and its kind of crap. its like they arent ur friends anymore when girls are around. they push u to the side and just try get laid the whole night. he's nice n all, pays for drinks, food and the cab etc. but i think thats just another way to show off that he has money which he does.


p.s.; this is all done without getting drunk (i dont drink) but they did. all good. a lot of people feel they need to drink to loosen up. i dont have that problem. he wasnt as yappy until he started drinking.

you dont have to reply or anything.. just thought i'd throw that out there if anyone was bored and wants to read and maybe share some similar stories.
 

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Your friend definitely sounds insecure.

But it sounds like in his mind, this girl was his target, and you were horning in on it with your negging her, dancing with her, massaging her, etc. Maybe he expected you to pick up somebody else while you were out, approach another girl to dance with or something.

I don't think you did anything wrong, but I'm just saying that may be his perspective. Because in the end it seems like both of you were entertaining the idea of hooking up with this girl.
 

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Sounds like you and the other dude are cool when girls are not involved so in that arena I don't see why you two can't stay friends. When girls are involved though, consider him dead to you. I have some friends I trust a lot more around woman than others doesn't mean you can't still be friends with them though.
 

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She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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He's a guy. That means you can talk to him about how stupid he's being. So tell him.
 
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