"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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My Problem and My Analysis. Correct?

DjVelvet

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Hey guys,

I hate to admit now. I am having quite a bad Oneitis. (First time I had Oneitis after I came to ss.com) Its painful but still managable…

Instead of asking for explicit advices, I am going to post my OWN analysis and solution and see if I'm on the right track. You guys assess.

I 've been seeing this HB8 for around 3months (8dates). For the first 2 months, everything is great and she was all over me in fact. Used a lot of challenge and I can see that she craved for my attention during that period.

However, Too much of a challenge.. Is fatal too (Especially for asian girls, challenge should be toned down on them which i realised later.)…. She did not verbally claim that I was too much of a challenge but indirectly, she thought I'm seeing other girls, which makes her eject from me. & she stopped calling me as usual. However, I still think she have slight interest for me (although it had dropped to a certain level).

After which, we stopped contact for around 3weeks… (I was on a backpacking trip)
When I returned from my trip, I contacted her and she was happy to hear from me. And we met up last Saturday for a night date and we were holding hands.

I escalated her to my home, and apparently no s3x happened.
At my home, her body language is against me, not receptive to my kinos (surfing net on my computer) and my gut feeling tells me that something's wrong and she's not really into me as much as the previous dates.

I tried several push and pull on the kinos and still in vain, she mention she wants to go home after a while. Then I figure out I really have to TAKE a big step back. I stood up and say, "You are right, let's go home." I later go do up my hair and tell her that I will be meeting someone else even though it is already midnight.

I can tell that action gave her a slight shock, she's taken aback. I looked at her coolly and escalated to a make out session. After a while, she stopped when my dad closed his door opposite with a slight bang.. (DAMM, Bad timing). She says she got to get going home...

(From here on. I admitted to some mistakes made)

The mood got a bit emotional and I asked her to be my girlfriend (She had asked me to be her bf before, but i screwed up by being too C&F that moment).

She was shocked and in deep thoughts. And she mentioned she's confused, and said that she initially thought that I don't like her (Because of too much challenge being used... too aloof.) She admitted she's already confused and thinking of me when I was away for that 3 weeks.

I mentioned that I do like her, but it will be okay we remain friends too. (I wasn't pushy or clingy in this matter). She says she will like to consider (Oh shet) and will give me an answer soon. (I don't really care about answers anyway, I prefer it to fall naturally, although my emotions made me declare my feelings.)

I see her home, and on the way, we are hugging and holding hands and she falls asleep on my shoulder. When we reach her home, we rest in the garden and begin humming our favourite songs and holding hands like a sweet couple.

We didn't talk much and basically enjoying one another's company (I don't know why, I don't feel like escalating Kino at that point and pulling back will be great due to the "I like you" mistake). Seriously.. that's the part which makes smile and happy for that whole night.

We hugged for a long time after that and she said that she just feel like hugging me and doing nothing else. (At this point, I thought that it is ON. Because after expressing the intention for her being my gf and she reacted positively so far, I think it will be smooth sailing)

After seeing her home, she send me a sms and wishes me good night, she say she will call me the next day but I declined, saying that I will call her instead.. Ended that night on a high note although AFCed.

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The next day, woke up in the afternoon and called her, fluffed. She mentioned about meeting up during the midnight as she was curfewed during weekdays, and she will sneak out when her family members are asleep. She says she will call me back around that time. (Btw, we live really near one another.)

& I thought that's high interest…. But... When midnight comes, no calls from her. I called her but she was already asleep and I woke her up, but her tone was good. I ask her to sleep and keep in contact, thus we did not meet up afterall. She mentioned she will call me back.

However. She did not call back for 2 days. I realised that her actions doesn't match her words. So I became a bit wary and decided to standby in case of Oneitis…

Emotions got over me, I called her 2 days later. Her tonality is not as good as before and she's at home playing some computer game, I asked her out on a weekday. (Dumbo me.. I knew she had curfew and yet I asked her out on a weekday) She declined of course. I noticed her interest level dropped, most prob due to my AFCness that day. I said to her, "alright another time. Keep in touch".

Solutions?

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Anyway, here are my analysis and what I'm going to do.

First thing first, I am going out to sarge tonight for more numbers.

From her inconsistent behavior and "actions doesn't match words", I have intention to NEXT her.. But I wouldn't want to jump the gun so soon.

I feel that its her having Low interest and trying to lead me on. (She knows that she had me alright…)

Don't intend to call her up.. I have been pushing quite a bit for these few days.. Most probably I will wait till Friday before I call and ask her out for a Saturday. Or Maybe, I don't intend to call anymore…

Jeezz.. I hate Oneitis and this kinda situation…

All these Oneitis is beginning to make my heart immune to breakages….. I felt pain.. But not as pain as before anymore…

Greatly Appreciated. Guys.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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DjVelvet

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Most Probably I will drop her if her tonality don't sound good when i call next or she declines the date.
 

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Sounds like she is spinning plates and you aren't. Your oneitis is probably coming out to her subconscious too.
 

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Wow, how things have changed round here! Haven't been on these boards in ~ 2 years...so i guess that's a given.

Oh well, let me give this a shot. A few points i would like to make -

- It's great to see you are looking at her action's
- Asking her to be your girlfriend is a big no no
- I think you played too hard to get
- When you are in her company you should be progressing forward - touching -> kissing -> touching and kissing -> doggy (have you actually kissed her yet?!)
- I wouldn't necessarily next her (ie write her off completely), but i would try start sarging more, as you mentioned
- In the current situation i would NOT call her, let her call you
- Keep yourself busy, either with more dates, hitting the gym or out with friends

Best way to deal with oneitis? Have a lot of options - get out there and get some more dates!

GL man.
 

DjVelvet

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Hah nice one Kodiac, In fact I think I'm very much in control right now.

Maybe i missed out. We made out several times.. I.e. Kissing and touching.

I like her a lot, and i mean damm lot. But.. I choose to read my situation in a very calm mind and read things from actions..

I'm going to be a director of my own life.
This is a structure on what I plan to do. Here goes.

ME-oriented.
1) I called up my friends and we will be sarging tonight and tomorrow night. To see who'r lucky girls that will be hitted by me =)

2) I'm already hitting the gym and concentrating on myself, NOT for anyone but my self-improvement.

3) Engaging in new activities. I will be taking up Martial Arts ie. Muay Thai starting next week.

4) Doing up my tooth, I have a slight strain on my front tooth.

Above is definately what you guys will recommend me to ^^.

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Outer Game - Towards my HB.

a) I am not calling her back until Friday, and ask her out for a Saturday since she cannot go out on weekdays. If she declined, I will get the hint and put her to a lower priority, or rather. Next.

b) If she did call me back, I will grab my power back via.
Letting her know subtly that I'm seeing other girls and she's no longer the priority. Be indifferent and even if she asks me out.
I will not accept immediately and say things like "I'll check my schedule first, will get back to you"
Aka. Using Challenge, but risky.
Because I was over-challenging before and she may give up on me.

c) When communicating with her, don't bring up about the "asking her to be my gf" topic. I.e. Light and funny topics and no heavy stuffs.

d) (This is mad smart, Credit to Slicker) When out on a date with her, talk to the cashier, flirt with any cute shop assistant and it will bring her in check that I'm sociable and capable of getting other girls. <I'm really good in socialising when I'm with a girl>

Great plan? Or Overboard?

Calibration is the key.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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