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My perspective on the game and the don juan idea.. I need some opinion

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Yo all,

To start off this thread. I will try to be as true as it is for myself and everyone here. I will start off by telling a story of my own little journey.

2 years ago I was introduced by my friend to DYD by david deangelo. That was 2003, at that point I was busy dating 2 girls long distance, we messaged each other every weeks and I managed to date both of them at the same time a little bit intimate. After reading DYD ( which was a pretty fresh idea at the moment ), I'm pretty into it and every approach that I had was based on that book.

I try to be ****y and funny at that time and it somehow felt unnatural and I felt not too happy about it. Eventually I lost all my friends and potential good friends. What happend is that at that time I met this group of girls and I was trying to be ****y and funny the whole time and literaly ignoring them when I had nothing to say ( I used to be more chatty and would speak and enjoy any conversation ). I realized something is wrong I tried hard to impress everyone by being ****y and funny at that time.

That lasted me about 1 year and on 2004 I realized something is wrong here and I need to change, maybe I need to find a new guru on this field. I turned to david copeland and ron louis, pretty good read I must say. I realised at this point that I withheld myself too much and most of the pursuit happend in my brain and didn't dare to go out and meet HB.

Then I met this girl HB 8, we met often at the uni and I teased her at that time that she can't cook and we made a pact to cook for each other at that time and she really enjoy it we had a good time. I thought she might be a good catch, I started pursuing her asking out for movies and dinner. It turns out that she got lots of suitor, and most of them turn to be AFC some of them literally hate my presence with her and making real weird gesture. I kept my cool and try not to care about them. She works at an ice cream store and I often hesitates and don't dare to go there and just have fun for the moment with her and would arrive at fron of the store does not dare to do anything at all. Or else making real stupid comments and don't have anything to say on the phone. I realized then if she is not interested then she would not care. I gave up at that point and we don't talk much


We didn't have much contact until about 1 month ago, we studied quite a lot together ( at this point my mindset was not about getting her as my girlfriend ), boy every interaction was real nice and it's flowing while we are just having fun.
It's easier to talk when you don't have that mindset of getting her I realize. We became close friend at this point but I don't have the need to **** her.

When I gave up on her I met HB 8.5 ( during the period where we don't have much contact). HB 8.5 also work at ice cream store (I love ice cream store girls)
. We met at the stage while doing a play together, I was attracted to her at the first time we met each other, what happend is we often hang out a lot with group of friend. My friend encourage me to show my interest at her and I did.

With her, I realized that I must show my interest and willing to do the work to pursue her. I would fetch her up at the end of her work every night and get her home safely, she does not show any sign of rejection of my presence. This goes for a month or so, we hang out pretty often, and often I noticed that she would sulk whenever I approach other girls. There is some period when I appear needy and she loses interest right away.

One event that changed me a bit. On her bday party there is this one guy who has been on her butt for long time sleeps over at her place ( she stays with her sis and cousins ). She ignores that guy the whole time during the party and that guy was being a pain in the ass. YET HE STAYS OVER, at that point I exploded and got real angry over what happend under her apartment with her sister for allowing that, and stupid me !! I CALLED HER TO SAY IF ANYTHING HAPPEND I'LL BE THERE FOR YOU ... she says I know .. don't worry. My friend says that SHE IS NOT YOUR ANYTHING STOP ACTING SO PROTECTIVE. I stayed over at my friends place and sleep for only 2 hours awaiting her phone call incase anything happend.

The next day she says " DID u .. get angry at my apartment yesterday .. ?" as a student of DJ .. I lied " Nope nothing happend.. I kept my cool.."( Don't show your true emotion ). She then said " Don't Lie to me ".

She asked me out for a movie the next day but I was working at that night.

After that incident, we sort of got on and off the same time. Sometimes we had a good interaction when I felt good for some reasons ( often after I read some article that related to don juan )and sometimes real bad where I felt real needy for her attention.


With HB 8.5 it's weird and interesting to see my approach, what happend is that there is a period where we can have lots of fun and some period when she can sense that Im being needy and wanting her attention and she ignores me.

I would like ask for everybody's opinion.

I was thinking to myself just now and after reading everyone's post on this forum ( I didn't register before that ).
Is it wiser for us to give up on the whole need to know about the approach to women will at the material here ( The mystery method, DYD, bla bla )
Or is it better for us just to forget about everything here and start off cleaning our brain without all the jargon about dating game.

Boy.. Im tired.. Would love to hear some opinion
 

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Originally posted by dementia
Im not one to dog the teachings here. Its all about how you use it. Its helped alot more people than its destroyed.

I believe the ones who got negative results from it are probably ones who first of all lacked the ability to make decisions based off there own instinct and judgement FIRST.

Thats your foundation. Thats your everything. All these ideas go ontop of that. You take it all in but use your BRAIN to apply it properly and in the right situations.

You gotta read behind the lines on nearly ALL of the bible tips. Its a matter of taking in the IDEA or the CONCEPT, not just taking it as its written and copying it.
I disagree with it as my 4 friends started out DYD together. And as what I have observed, they are all self destrucing because of the whole idea. While friends without those idea strangely fare better than us. They got loving girlfriends who stick with them.

Is it better to be ignorant and don't care about the "flashy idea" ?

Or go all the way to master the don juan and the idea on this forum ?
 

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I start off giving examples.

The first person is my bro, we made a pact about DYD. He lost his friends and he becomes annoying with most of his old friends. When he move overseas he has hard time making new friends. Then he realized about it and forgot the whole idea.

Second person my close friend. He became so annoying that he tries to "attack"/ "almost tease everyone"--> ends up annoying too . We had a chat and he is still into DYD. Still after 2 years he still had trouble approaching he told me.

Good argument everyone. Need more opinion here.
 

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Pardon my ignorance but what is C+F ?

The ****y and funny idea is what led him to become annoyance to everyone. He confesses that to me.

I read the idea across the forum about ****y and funny is more like a spice on conversation

Being ****y and funny all the time will lead to THE ULTIMATE WEIRDNESS.

What is your guys prespective on the DJ's IDEA

What is the essence ?

Are they worth pursuing ? or just a waste of time
 

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Dimentia,

Appreaciate the opinion. But I can assure you that I have read the book and I read the DJ bible also.

Maybe Im just tired with too much idea on my head.

Boy Im tired with all the ideas..

To answer your questions. Yes indeed it is the ****y and funny idea that cause the trouble.

By the way .. how should I approach this HB 8.5 should I see her off on the airport cos she will be going back for holiday for 3 months
 

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