"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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my past with women is clouding my present

dankane

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Well in the past I had constantly been considered a wuss, because I would care way to much for a certain girl. I recently starting working on it, but girl after girl I always seem to have made some mistake which I learned from. Now I've got myself to a point where I can create immense ammounts of attraction from girls, but my perspective is clouded...

here is what made me post this

I met a girl probably like 5 or 6 days ago and we just were talking. I played relaxed confidence just had a good conversation and got her number. I called her a couple days after that and we talked. I started the conversation off with just a simple carefree conversation you know how it goes, and then we went into a much deeper conversation where we both talked about events in our lives that we really hadn't talked about before. Then I kind of forgot about her for a couple of days, but she popped into my head last night. I called her to see what she was doing and she just was talking my ear off, I ended pretty quickly because I wasn't looking for a long talk, but I told her I thought she was beautiful. Then today I invited her to my show (i play solo guitar shows) she has a tournment for some sport but she said shed try. I told her to call me later.

When I think about all of this, I have done all of the calling. And to me because of my past, I take that as me trying to hard. I guess I would just want some reassurance. I get all the signs that she is interested, I just don't want to try to hard. If she doesn't call me tonight, after I told her to, I just stop talking to her because i take that action in that way. what do you all think
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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GloriouslyInsane

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Let go man,now you will get rejected alot more (because you actually talk to more than 3 girls/year),but also have more success,dont try to win em all,you think that if it goes sour with one that you can't change and beat yourself over it.Think that you wouldn't have a phone conversation with this girl before,think you would cling on her like the last woman on earth.Just let go,don't try to control everything.
 

Brutus

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I think you shouldn't give up too easily. Now, you don't want to get stuck on her, but I believe that we guys many times give up to quickly. She probably won't call you, because she thinks that if she doesn't call, eventually you'll call her. You are about to drop her anyway, why not push it a little before you do that, just in case?

That said, what the f*ck are you doing? You want excitement, humor, flirting, kino, not "good conversation". Don't talk to her on the phone - that's what her girlfriends do. You'll do rapport building later. And next time, don't tell her she's beautiful at this point.
 
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