my gf wants to wait A YEAR!?

[Gustav Yavo]

this worked for me.

go down on your girl, make sure she is turned on as much as she can be. Then tell her that you don't think youll be able to fit inside her, her puzzy is too tight. Then tell her you just wanna try to see if it fits. Put on your condom say that its cause "its better to be safe than sorry", then stick it in side of her slowly... then slowly increase the speed

she wont say not to, cause if she REALLY wants to loose her viginity to you, she'll be worried that you might not fit inside of her... and if she turned on enough she wont say not to ANYTHING! remember girls want it just as bad as you do, the only diffrence is she''ll play it off as not that big of a deal for her, something shes willing to wait for because she doesn't want to be percieved as a skank.

Make sure to cuddle with her after, cause if its her first time, she''ll need that reassurance that your not gonna leave right after sex and that your not in the relationship for sex, and if the first time goes well, the headboard banging will continue.

 

[DJCT]

Guys... He is a virgin and has never penetrated before. She is a virgin and has never been penetrated before. I don't see him "slipping it in" casually or accidentally. Think about it. On top of it, he shouldn't be having sex without a condom anyway. It's not worth the effort or risk.

JJ, you have a long and productive life ahead of you. You are too young to be in a committed, serious relationship. It may be hard but go find other girls to be with if this girl is not giving you what you want. You will respect yourself for sticking to your standards and making a hard decision.

 

[SmoothTalker]

Some of the advice you guys give could literally get a guy's ass thrown in jail for rape. You don't 'accidentally' stick your **** into someone, unless she is ****ing retarded she will not buy that.

Now, if its that important to you, find someone else, but don't cheat on her. That is low, and unnecessary.

Besides, I sincerely doubt it would actually be a year. Girls will do almost anything in the bedroom if they know its not going to be spread around to their friends.

Just make her comfortable, and very horny, and pretty soon she will be asking for it.

Lol besides, aside from the bragging rights of saying you're not a virgin, what's your hurry? You say you're getting head. If she's any good, that's almost as enjoyable in my opinion, especially when you consider head without a condom or sex with.

 

[KontrollerX]

The judge if a fair judge isn't exactly going to buy her rape claim if this is how the conversation goes...

Judge: Well how did things get to the point he was able to stick his d!ck inside of you?

Girl: Well we both got naked of our own free will and decided to start fooling around and I wanted him to get on top of me and rub his erect penis ontop of my cl!t because it feels good you see.

Judge: So let me get this straight, you got naked of your own free will, took off your panties and everything and asked a nude hormone fueled young man to get ontop of you and rub his penis on the outside of your vagina rhythmically back and forth?

Girl: That is correct your honor.

Judge: Young lady do you expect the court to believe that by doing this that there was no possibility that he could actually slip and enter you and do you also expect the court to believe that everyone in here is dumb enough to believe that you were not consenting to sex despite getting voluntarily naked and having a young man rub his exposed penis on your vagina? Do you really expect us to believe that?

Girl: Well yes because girls never lie.

Judge: I've heard enough of this bullsh!t. Get out of my courtroom! Next case.

 

[SmoothTalker]

Plenty of judges are not fair, and besides, rape would be tried by a jury.

All I am saying is guys have been thrown in jail only to later have it proven that they never even commited the rape, so I don't think it's that hard to imagine somebody being jailed for what technically is rape (you penetrate her when she doesn't want it). Not to mention she'd have reason to say she was raped to not look like she didn't honor her 1 year plan.

Is it likely, perhaps not. But at the end of the day I think it would be wrong, and even a small risk like that is not something I would want to take. If you want to try this go right ahead, but sounds to me like a case of thinking with the wrong head. There are easier ways to get inside a girl and easier girls to get inside if this one won't play.

Besides if she's a virgin, unless he's tiny it would require a reasonable amount of force and patience to get inside. Hard to claim its accidental when your 'slipping' takes 10 seconds.

 

[OrangeCrusader]

"This is fvcking horrible advice, part of the reason why anything said here should be taken with a big grain of salt. Did you even bother to read the first few lines of the OP?"

Its only horrible for symps like you who would get all full of guilt and then
spill your little guts out to the b!tch ruining the great setup you'd have going.

Even if the relationship were ruined over it who gives a fvck anyway?

Its not like the b!tch is putting out is it?

Well someone's pretty damn cynical. Lemme guess, some slutty chick broke your then-AFC heart X years ago, so you're on a woman-hating spree since.

They're not having sex, but she seems to be doing plenty else, go re-read that. If he's not getting what he wants, the rest doesn't matter, I'll give you that.

I'm against cheating for one main reason: you create a fvcking mess for yourself, and it likely closes doors with anyone she knows. Keep it simple, just ditch her first if that's what the OP wants, then go bang whoever he wants.

Big difference between cowardice and making extra work for yourself and being an idiot.

That's not AFC, that's not being a man, it's being a cowardly and having zero power or control, thus resorting to cheating to feel powerful or above women. Nice.

 

[KontrollerX]

"Well someone's pretty damn cynical. Lemme guess, some slutty chick broke your then-AFC heart X years ago, so you're on a woman-hating spree since."

Typical feminine shaming response.

Every one with a penis has been hurt by a woman sometime in their life.

Your shaming comments= irrelevant and btw you might want to check down below to see if you still possess a pair of balls with all of the weak sauce you are spreading around here nancy.

Oh yeah and I have long been a proud cynic, misanthrope and a nihilist so I might as well get that informative tidbit out of the way before you go vomiting up any other golden nuggets of psychoanalysis there Freud.

"They're not having sex, but she seems to be doing plenty else, go re-read that. If he's not getting what he wants, the rest doesn't matter, I'll give you that."

You like most other weak males will accept table scraps like BJ's/HJ's and makeout sessions in place of closing the deal.

MEN will not accept only that for very long.

"I'm against cheating for one main reason: you create a fvcking mess for yourself, and it likely closes doors with anyone she knows."

Only if you symp the fvck out and get guilty about it and spill your little guts out to her which a weak male like yourself most certainly would.

If one of the chicks he's boning on the side turns on him and starts talking to his girl about what they did together and his girl believes her he can turn it around on his girl by getting angry about her not trusting him.

That should work but you little AFC's are too weak and guilt ridden to try that.

I for one am not weak about it when a woman plays a little game such as "no sex for a year" or some such. Play your game honey but I'll be gettin mine.

"Big difference between cowardice and making extra work for yourself and being an idiot."

LOL, work yeah right.

Keep it to just one other chick if you are that low on energy at 17 and see a doctor btw about that as 17 year olds of average health should be naturally loaded with boundless energy.

"That's not AFC, that's not being a man, it's being a cowardly and having zero power or control, thus resorting to cheating to feel powerful or above women. Nice."

No, that is YOUR idea of what it means to be a man. Not mine.

Also its cheating on a woman who won't fulfill your sexual needs.

Nothing at all wrong with that.

I don't know where you get this woman hating idea from.

I think you are delusional buddy.

Its not about power at all or feeling above some chick.

Its about getting your needs as a man met and if a chick isn't doing that and for some crazy reason you want to keep her around go ahead and get you some on the side and don't tell her about it.

If she never knows it can't hurt her after all but it would hurt her a great deal if he were to break up with her and go after someone else and tell her its because he needs pvssy which a weak AFC male like yourself would have him do.

 

[SmoothTalker]

Are you perfectly okay with your girl cheating on you also?

Or are you so damn perfect that she would never ever have reason to?

Its a two way street, and for those of us that don't want *****s, we should return the favour.

Besides, WHY cheat on a girl you keep saying isn't giving you what you want. Why keep her around then?

 

[SmoothTalker]

Are you perfectly okay with your girl cheating on you also?

Or are you so damn perfect that she would never ever have reason to?

Its a two way street, and for those of us that don't want *****s, we should return the favour.

Besides, WHY cheat on a girl you keep saying isn't giving you what you want. Why keep her around then?

 

[KontrollerX]

You AFC's as usual are missing the point.

Because you are men with morals that you hold dear does not automatically guarantee it will be reciprocated back to you by the woman you are with.

The morals are your thing not necessarily her's.

Expecting reciprocity for all things automatically is a huge part of the AFC fantasy magical thinking mindset.

Spiritual karma is bullsh!t.

"Besides, WHY cheat on a girl you keep saying isn't giving you what you want. Why keep her around then?"

Maybe its a future investment for the OP and he thinks in the future she'll deliver everything he wants from a partner in life. Maybe its pure oneitis. Who knows really other than the OP?

Post limit expired so I edited this in for ya.

"You are clearly saying cheating is perfectly acceptable as long as she doesn't find out."

I'm saying if she's going to play a little game of "no sex for a year" but yet you still want to benefit yourself by keeping her around and getting your rocks off cheating is just fine in that scenario. She basically forced you into it.

"Tell me in all honesty, are you perfectly okay with your woman doing the exact same thing back to you? If "

I've recently become a student of Leykis 101. I don't involve myself in relationships anymore. I'm all about hooking up pretty much but if I were the relationship type to answer your question if I played little games of "no sex for a year" with my woman I would be a fool to expect her not to cheat on me. Of course I wouldn't like the cheating but I would understand it due to my stupid demands on her.

 

[SmoothTalker]

Yes but the difference is I have these morals. You seem to not have any, and thus assume that your girl won't either.

Maybe you should find better quality women?

You are clearly saying cheating is perfectly acceptable as long as she doesn't find out.

Tell me in all honesty, are you perfectly okay with your woman doing the exact same thing back to you? If you are, then maybe you should just have open relationships.

If you are not 100% okay with it, stop being such an *******. It doesn't make you a DJ to abuse people's trust.

 

[(JJ)]

well i appreciate all the advice guys. and don't get into a fight here it's really not that big of a deal.

to those of you that say its a low interest level or lack of caring for me or what have you, that's not true. (at least i honestly believe it isn't) i get at least 6 texts a day of her proclaiming her love for me.

second. i am about 99.9% positive she doesnt want to do it out of a mixture of fear and psychological programming by her family and moral upbringing. im damn sure not going to cheat on her. and i'm not going to "accidentally" rape her lol.

the number one thing im worried about is being shallow. and i know you guys are all gonna say "oh it's no big deal all guys want sex." well yes and no. i kno that all guys want sex. but i also know that most men i respect in my life (my dad) have self control about it. according to my parents' story they waited till after marriage.

more than anything, im ranting, because i do want sex. but i want to maintain my lifestyle/appearance of "pretty good guy," and if any actual good advice comes of it then that's awesome too.

 

[Guybrush]

well i appreciate all the advice guys. and don't get into a fight here it's really not that big of a deal.

to those of you that say its a low interest level or lack of caring for me or what have you, that's not true. (at least i honestly believe it isn't) i get at least 6 texts a day of her proclaiming her love for me.

second. i am about 99.9% positive she doesnt want to do it out of a mixture of fear and psychological programming by her family and moral upbringing. im damn sure not going to cheat on her. and i'm not going to "accidentally" rape her lol.

the number one thing im worried about is being shallow. and i know you guys are all gonna say "oh it's no big deal all guys want sex." well yes and no. i kno that all guys want sex. but i also know that most men i respect in my life (my dad) have self control about it. according to my parents' story they waited till after marriage.

more than anything, im ranting, because i do want sex. but i want to maintain my lifestyle/appearance of "pretty good guy," and if any actual good advice comes of it then that's awesome too.

You are 17... You are not even a MAN yet... What's the big fuss I don't get it ?

It's OK to wait. It's OK to be on her terms sometimes. Make out with her, date her, play with her, have fun. You are not missing anything. Why would you want to cheat ? Don't be so stupid. You don't even know what sex is. You can do all kinds of sexual stuff without you PENETRATING her... You are not a 35 year old dating a single mom.

Most of the advice given here is probably very accurate for a guy over 25 - but for you, it's perfectly OK to wait.

Sex doesn't mean necessarily sexual intercourse - don't forget that.

 

[(JJ)]

well i'm not making a fuss really. i'm just a normal horny teenage guy lol. biologically and physiologically speaking, i am a man. now in society's view, i agree, i am not technically a man. however, that being said; you believe it's a matter of semantics. this may be the case-but i want the ability to use the semantics to my advantage and know that i have, in fact, had sex. also, read what you quoted, i said i will NOT cheat.

 

[Guybrush]

Yes I had read what I quoted. In your original post you were whining about how 6 months was such a long time and blah blah.

It implies that cheating COULD be a viable option for you - because you didn't want to wait as long and didn't want to lose her either.

Oh yeah. Please don't cheat. Don't be a weak loser.


I don't think you truly know what the word "semantics" means. What I said had nothing to do with semantics... I am just saying that for a teenager who's 17 - it's OK not to have full intercourse and it's OK to wait a while.

I am not gonna say "Congratulations!" since you managed to get what you wanted, but now that you had sex, maybe you understood that you are just the same ol' JJ and nothing actually changed.

I am quoting someone I can't remember now (hope he'll forgive me) but "sex" doesn't make you powerful. It's not the ULTIMATE prize that must be harshly sought after. (especially when you are this young)

Concentrate more on your life and your qualities rather than trying to convince girls to give sex to you.

That'll be a natural part of your life when you actually work on things that matter

 

[DonJuan11]

Are you perfectly okay with your girl cheating on you also?

Besides, WHY cheat on a girl you keep saying isn't giving you what you want. Why keep her around then?

Why keep her around? What if she comes back in one year and says "OK, I'm ready now to give you the sex?" Are you going to say "no thanks, I refuse the sex because you made me wait one year?"

I think you are confusing the issues. If she says she your gf but is making you wait one year for sex, then she is not your gf and no cheating is happening. Be friendly, be sincere, and care for her, but also seek other girls for sex. If a 6'1 Brad lookalike came along, she would give it to him in about 18 seconds - so something is off when she tells him "wait one yr for sex with me". That means - "you don't turn me on the way Brad would, so I'm going to play this out as long as I can"

Kontroller is 100% correct.

 

[Desert Fox]

1) you want sex
2) she can't give you want you want
3) drop her ass and get a new chick
4) bang that new girl
5) you are happy

DONE

Stop it will this bullsh1t philosophy about morals...morals are bullsh1t anyways. If she isn't giving you want you what, guess what? Youre are STRESSED. Normally you throw out sh1t that stresses u out...she is no different.

Of course you could stay a pvssy chump and whine about not gettin laid for the next year. and you know what? at the end of the year...it's gonna be ANOTHER YEAR hahahaha

 

[Smack]

well i appreciate all the advice guys. and don't get into a fight here it's really not that big of a deal.

to those of you that say its a low interest level or lack of caring for me or what have you, that's not true. (at least i honestly believe it isn't) i get at least 6 texts a day of her proclaiming her love for me.

Actions speak louder than words (or texts in this case). In fact, words speak louder than texts! She can text anything she wants over a phone. There is no emotion that she needs to sincerely convey via text. Just a few characters. Does she say it to you sincerely?

If so, she doesn't mean it.

Because actions speak louder than words! She's trying to make you wait a year for sex for Christ's sake! If she loved you, she'd be willing to have sexual intercourse with you in order to keep you. Clearly she has low interest in you.

second. i am about 99.9% positive she doesnt want to do it out of a mixture of fear and psychological programming by her family and moral upbringing. im damn sure not going to cheat on her. and i'm not going to "accidentally" rape her lol.

I understand that this moral programming that sex is somehow bad and wrong is quite widespread in America. I also understand that instinct and biology override 'moral programming' and that at her age she also, deep down inside, wants it as bad as you. However, she is using this waiting limit to keep power over you. I bet she will start to lower it with the condition that you do stuff for her - stuff that you don't particularly like. She also knows she's got you because you are being AFC and absolutely agreeing with her waiting limit. She has the power. She controls the frame. You aren't strong enough to walk away from a bad situation.

the number one thing im worried about is being shallow. and i know you guys are all gonna say "oh it's no big deal all guys want sex." well yes and no. i kno that all guys want sex. but i also know that most men i respect in my life (my dad) have self control about it. according to my parents' story they waited till after marriage.

For fuck sake man, stop worrying about being shallow! Why are you afraid of your masculinity? Why do you reject your testosterone? Why are you ashamed of being true to your nature? Read the Bible - you're in dire need of deprogramming and then having true DJ values programmed into you.

more than anything, im ranting, because i do want sex. but i want to maintain my lifestyle/appearance of "pretty good guy," and if any actual good advice comes of it then that's awesome too.

What kind of sexually repressed place do you come from that good guys do not have sex?

And Guybrush, you're giving some of the most hopeless AFC advice I've seen here. This is Sosuave, not Loveshack. This is a man's forum for men's issues. It is in our nature to want to have sex. Suppressing our nature is the worst thing we can do as men! The longer we repress it (or fail to live up to it) the more and more if fights with us to finally accept it. It makes us unhappy and depressed until we finally get a girl. It drives us mad.

I think you and the OP need to read the Don Juan Bible because you both seem unwilling to snap out of your AFC mindset. Understandable, I suppose, if one day your whole perception on reality is shaken to its foundations and ripped apart. This will be especially difficult for the OP as he is from a sexually repressed place with strong anti-sex morals.

 

[SmoothTalker]

You guys are losers. What the hell is this "If she loves you she'll sleep with you because she's scared of losing you" crap. Is that how you want to get girls to sleep with you, by scaring them with the consequenses?

Maybe you should work on yourself so that you actually turn your women on and make them want to have sex with you because they are horny and want you, not because they're scared of what happens if they don't.

 

[(JJ)]

alright first off i appreciate everyone offering their advice. however, there are so many things wrong with what so many of you said it's gonna take a novel to explain it.

i know she has high interest level. whenever i do things that don't involve her, she gets extremely jealous and protective of me. if i tell her a story involving another girl hitting on me, she just about ****s a brick. now im not saying it's good she's this protective, but i know for a FACT she has high interest level.

she would NOT jump on a movie star the second he asked for it because she is just not like that. she is from the same "sexually repressed" (as you guys put it) culture that i am. she is afraid of it because of the moral backlash and ultimate judgement if religion happens to turn out to be the correct path to have followed at the end of the world.

this leads to another point. i do NOT appreciate anyone as jaded as most of you are coming on here and talking down on my or my girlfriend's belief system. no matter where you are that is low class.

i am positive i need no reprogramming and/or reading the "bible" to change who i am. as a person, i feel that i can hold my head up high because i have not forfeited any of my values and morals because of what some guys on a forum have told me.

finally, while i do appreciate you guys trying to offer your expertise, your "help" is no longer needed on this topic for me. i know now that this was a mistake to post to all you guys that are jaded and think the way you do about sex and relationships. thank you very much.

JJ