"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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My first post, advice needed.

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Hello all, just wanted to say first this forum is great.

Now my issue - Im a 23 yr old living in manhattan, and recent graduate. I have a good job, but friends are pretty scarce here. Not to mention women here have a defense system around their hearts like barb wire here - its not easy!

Anyway, now that you have my background I'll get to the point. I live with two girls, both acquantances from college. We all decided to live together (rent is not cheap here people). One of these girls has a bunch of her friends sleep here over the weekend.

I end up hooking up with one of the girls that visited, and I am elated bc I had a crush on this girl for two years - I just never worked up the balls to talk to her. Gorgeous girl, she makes me quiver, yes pathetic.

This is where things gets kinda crappy. I didnt get her number, I dont know why - I got her screenname. My only defense in doing this is that she was scrolling through my buddy list, so i said put it in.

I ended up getting her number from her sister. I called tonight, left a voicemail just saying call back. And I IMed her tonight. Here's the relevant portion of the convo that ensued.

helios: but i wanted to say i had a good time with you friday nite, and i would def like to see you again

her: haha thanks yeah it was really fun

her: we will definitely call next time we are comin in

helios: no doubt. alright i gotta run, ill talk to you later

her: k have fun watchin your shows

her: thanks for callin, talk to you later

helios: alright babe

So...I didnt get a good vibe from this. No real reciprocity. she said she had fun, but doesnt really say she plans on seeing me - only if her and her friends come in again.

Is this doomed? or should I continue talking to her? frankly I feel like it would be a waste of time, but I would like to hear other guy's opinions on this.

Thanks all.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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You have made your interest known - now she knows.

It would have been better if you actually asked her to do an activity right away so that you can measure her interest.

It seems she gave a lukewarm response to you - so you shouldn't call her or message her again - wait until you see her again at your place to gauge her comfort level with you - when she is there try to isolate her - seperate her from the group.
 

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Last Man Standing said:
You have made your interest known - now she knows.

It would have been better if you actually asked her to do an activity right away so that you can measure her interest.

It seems she gave a lukewarm response to you - so you shouldn't call her or message her again - wait until you see her again at your place to gauge her comfort level with you - when she is there try to isolate her - seperate her from the group.
Thanks man - I thought the same. So I guess, its wait and see at this point.
 

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Don't go round the idea of going out with her, ask her out straight forward. Yes, it's hard, but you'll get used to it. Dont worry. Ask her out straight out, and come and tell us how it went.
 
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