"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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My experience at the Red Light District in Amsterdam

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As a libertarian who is ALL FOR legalized prostitution for a multitude of reasons, I have to say that I have changed my stance at least on brothels. This was the hottest woman I've ever had sex with, and the worst sex I've ever had.

Arrived at 10 am. Rainy day - and only the fat and old women come out early. By lunch time, some hotties came through.

Mid afternoon came and after a quick lunch I selected an eastern European HB9 who didn't speak much English. I tried to negotiate a little extra to allow for foreplay because I knew it would be a problem to just get it on immediately, but she didn't understand or pretended not to. She was hot enough that I thought I could give her my best, but I was wrong.

It was awkward, dull, and over in a flash. There were moments of dead silence followed by a few faked moans. On the one hand, it's amazing that you can have sex with women of this caliber at all for $50, but on the other hand 15-20 minutes doesn't really get you anything. That's the trick right there. Ideally, you'd get 40 minutes with at least 15 minutes of foreplay in the form of a backrub or thigh massage.

I now believe that for guys like us who are so entrenched in the game, that conquest is 50% of the equation. Just instantly having intercourse totally absent of seduction with a girl who sees you as a liability is bound to leave you 50% satisfied or less.

I think I got a particularly lazy one with this girl - that or prostitutes in general do not have the intuition that a good stripper tends to have (the best can really make you believe they like you.)

Spare me the hate boys, it's an experience of failure I can put up against my time as a 60 Minute Ironman during my HB-BPD days. I don't regret it and think that for the frustrated 25 year old virgin who doesn't even know what the game is, prostitution is a viable alternative that would decrease mass shootings and rape. Ideally though they'd be texting and know the girl by name so she can make him feel comfortable, which is really what was most absent here.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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I guess you get what you pay for... All kinds of positive reviews on escorts here lately.
 

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Im an escort. Girl calls me to hang out. I smile and make jokes. She gets to pet me. I get what i want. I get dropped off. If i want to drink to have more fun, i do.


It is what it is.
 

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I know what you mean OP. I dated a girl in Oklahoma recently who never let me get her panties off, and I would have done anything to see her naked. Here in Atlanta, the girls get fully nude on stage for literally $5 and for some reason I can't even look (down there).

Amsterdam is hit or miss. It's all about how attracted they are to you. You can pay for sex, but you can't pay for love.
 

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I wouldn't expect much enthusiasm and true passion from a woman paid to sleep with men she wouldn't touch otherwise.

That's one reason (of many) why I will never consider paying for sex. Plus a big part of my enjoyment of sex is knowing that the woman I'm with craves me physically.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Oh and btw....rapists arent virgins before turning to that sort of crime. Where did you get that idea? And most mass shooters are not sexually frustrated incels. There was Elliot Rodger...but aside from him I can't think of anyone of the top of my head.

Most mass shooters seem to have political motivations, disdain for society, they also may have been bullied, and some had mental issues.

If anything I'd say that prostitution decreases suicide...but who knows. Sexual release does not fix loneliness or sadness. Like bigneil said, you can't buy love.
 
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Jaylan said:
Oh and btw....rapists arent virgins before turning to that sort of crime. Where did you get that idea? And most mass shooters are not sexually frustrated incels. There was Elliot Rodger...but aside from him I can't think of anyone of the top of my head.

Most mass shooters seem to have political motivations, disdain for society, they also may have been bullied, and some had mental issues.

If anything I'd say that prostitution decreases suicide...but who knows. Sexual release does not fix loneliness or sadness. Like bigneil said, you can't buy love.
Well its not like they interview these guys before they kill, but I'm willing to bet the $ I spent today Cho Hui, Dylan Roof, and Adam lanza had access to zero cumulative *****. Just a hunch, but particularly in the case of the Asian at Virginia tech, he was just an emotionally pumped up beta. I'm picturing his regular escort and "friend" trying to talk him out of doing what he did, and I'm seeing some hesitation from him.

Rodger makes the case best for what I'm saying. And prostitution very obviously delegitimizes rape. Point of the thread is even though there are societal benefits it's still not ideal unless you're running the operation.
 

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BlueAlpha1 said:
Well its not like they interview these guys before they kill, but I'm willing to bet the $ I spent today Cho Hui, Dylan Roof, and Adam lanza had access to zero cumulative *****. Just a hunch, but particularly in the case of the Asian at Virginia tech, he was just an emotionally pumped up beta. I'm picturing his regular escort and "friend" trying to talk him out of doing what he did, and I'm seeing some hesitation from him.

Rodger makes the case best for what I'm saying. And prostitution very obviously delegitimizes rape. Point of the thread is even though there are societal benefits it's still not ideal unless you're running the operation.
The backgrounds and manifestos of each of those guys made it clear what their motivations were. Only one of them, Elliot Rodger, had sexual failure as a motivation. Along with the fact that he was an outsider and had been bullied before.

Youre projecting your own experiences and negative feelings onto these other situations. Plenty of men get sex, and still go on to become mass killers and rapists. I mean, we do know that there are psychopaths and sociopaths that are easily able to manipulate females and get sex from certain women.

But like I said before, sex cannot make someone feel better the way real love can. And you cannot buy that. Having empty sex with a prostitute is not going to make an incel feel valued. He has to go on his own self improvement journey and be able to attain women without buying them in order to really feel desired.
 
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Jaylan said:
The backgrounds and manifestos of each of those guys made it clear what their motivations were. Only one of them, Elliot Rodger, had sexual failure as a motivation. Along with the fact that he was an outsider and had been bullied before.

Youre projecting your own experiences and negative feelings onto these other situations. Plenty of men get sex, and still go on to become mass killers and rapists. I mean, we do know that there are psychopaths and sociopaths that are easily able to manipulate females and get sex from certain women.

But like I said before, sex cannot make someone feel better the way real love can. And you cannot buy that. Having empty sex with a prostitute is not going to make an incel feel valued. He has to go on his own self improvement journey and be able to attain women without buying them in order to really feel desired.
The "projection" deal bit is a bit much mate, I'm fully aware that my experiences are different from that of a mass killer. You may not agree on Hui or Lanza, but you conceding the Elliot Rodger case makes my point for me. I don't need more than one example because there are more dangerous men out there who think like him. A good escort who could have convinced Rodger he was desirable would have saved 6 lives.

We agree that having empty, soul-less intercourse with an HB9 is hollow and meaningless if you're into game. We focus so much on self-improvement we can easily see how this easy way out mentality could do more harm than good. That's why I wrote this thread, to tell guys on the fence about my experience. The whole experience is laughable just 12 hours later, but I'm glad I went out and put this theory to the test.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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