Why "Whatever You Want" Keeps You Single

She says the movie looks dumb; you suddenly agree. She tests you with a little attitude; you apologize for nothing.

You think you're being easy to get along with. She reads something else entirely: a man with no edges. Nothing to hold on to. No friction, no tension, no reason to wonder what he really thinks.

The "22 Rules" taught me to push back — playfully, calmly, without needing her approval. Strange things happened after that.

Read more...

My (current) thoughts on seduction

treefingers

Don Juan
Joined
Jan 15, 2006
Messages
79
Reaction score
1
MOTU,



When you say "make a women feel special" how exactly do you do this? Do you do it with compliments only or is there some other special way to do this?



thanks
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

Read more...

Sandow

Master Don Juan
Joined
Aug 24, 2007
Messages
930
Reaction score
40
Location
CA
Interesting...but it does go against almost EVERYTHING we've been taught here.

All he is really saying is just be yourself and forget about everything you have learned here. I don't really agree with this because there are life-changing tips on this site, and I'm speaking from personal experience. However, I do agree with dropping the canned lined, methods, patterns,etc. I agree thats BS.

But I'm sorry, if you give up being a challenge, mysterious, unpredictable, then your taking a big chance. Again, I'm speaking from personal experience. I've told myself in the past to drop these characteristics, and guess what...I've lost beautiful HB's because of it. Don't believe me, go ahead and try it on the next girl. Just don't say I didnt warn you.

You have to understand what attraction is. What you need to understand the most is the mindset. Once you have the mindset, go out in the field and EXPERIENCE! That's really it. Nothing will make you better than going out in the field and experimenting. Reading too much of the BS on here is going to fvck with your head. Seriously, every piece of advice here is contradicting. Thats why this thread wil never die. The more you read, the more confused you will get...unless you go out there and learn from first hand experience. You'll see....
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

Read more...

squirrels

Master Don Juan
Joined
Apr 15, 2003
Messages
6,620
Reaction score
186
Age
47
Location
A universe...where heartbreak and sadness have bee
Who bumped this?

This is like, the Zen of Attraction. It is the straight truth. But many, if not most, people on this forum are not ready for this kind of truth. ;)
 

Sandow

Master Don Juan
Joined
Aug 24, 2007
Messages
930
Reaction score
40
Location
CA
Are we completely forgetting the reason why we are even here? If girls never played games, then everything would be simple. Girls are masters at playing their own game. Be yourself, let her know how you feel, and get screwed fellas. Trust me!

Hey I never wanted it to be like this, but guess what? It is. So it's up to us to learn how attraction works, and become better DJ's. MOTU seems like a sincere guy, but fellas c'mon! You're going to get burned if you expose yourself like that.

It is what it is, girls will never fvcking change. be intelligent, knowledgeable, wise and become a better DJ by understanding the dynamics of attraction and self-improvement. For gods sake, do not disregard our knowledge and throw your sorry a$$ out there. You'll get burned big time.
 

squirrels

Master Don Juan
Joined
Apr 15, 2003
Messages
6,620
Reaction score
186
Age
47
Location
A universe...where heartbreak and sadness have bee
Sandow said:
Are we completely forgetting the reason why we are even here? If girls never played games, then everything would be simple. Girls are masters at playing their own game. Be yourself, let her know how you feel, and get screwed fellas. Trust me!

Hey I never wanted it to be like this, but guess what? It is. So it's up to us to learn how attraction works, and become better DJ's. MOTU seems like a sincere guy, but fellas c'mon! You're going to get burned if you expose yourself like that.

It is what it is, girls will never fvcking change. be intelligent, knowledgeable, wise and become a better DJ by understanding the dynamics of attraction and self-improvement. For gods sake, do not disregard our knowledge and throw your sorry a$$ out there. You'll get burned big time.
Of course you have to learn the alphabet, the words, and the language before you can craft ideas with them. But once you have the ideas, the words just get in the way.

That's all that's being said. The TRUE master is the one who innovates, who deviates from the rules and finds a unique way of accomplishing the same task. Not the one who follows someone else's manual step-by-step.

It doesn't mean that there's no merit in seeing how others have done it, and learning THEIR way first, but experimentation is at the HEART of seduction. What did Mystery do before there was a "Mystery Method"? He threw his sorry a$$ out there and figured out how women work! :D

As I said, there are many who aren't ready for this kind of knowledge. It's like cutting the umbilical...you can't do it before you're outside the womb or you'll suffocate.
 

yungahdubz

Senior Don Juan
Joined
Jan 17, 2007
Messages
330
Reaction score
2
Location
UK
What does MOTU do to make women feel special? Compliments, spending time with them, someone please elaborate :)
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

Read more...

Jon55

Master Don Juan
Joined
Feb 12, 2007
Messages
509
Reaction score
3
Master of the Universe said:
Oh yeah, so if the girl puts you in the category of unfvckable, does that mean there's no way to turn around the situation. There is, but it's a lot less work to be attractive off the bat. And that way is not as simple as using a neg-hit, throwing around a few c&f lines, telling her a cool story, or hypnotizing her with a pattern.

You basically have to give her such a system shock that she has to completely reevaluate who you are.

Just out of curiosity, would you say this also applies to ex-girlfriends? Like she's already found you attractive, but then you two split. Is it just as difficult then? I would think so, but whenever I happen to be (for example) at a little party with old friends, I often find that the spark between me and an ex is still there.
 

Drewskie

Senior Don Juan
Joined
Dec 4, 2008
Messages
401
Reaction score
9
Solomon said:
This is the realist post I've ever read on here.....
Really?? Sh!t.... It looked a lttle long, but I like the way you think, I'm gonna have to go read it.
 

Energy25

Don Juan
Joined
Nov 1, 2009
Messages
161
Reaction score
4
I'm so glad I found this thread....and I also owe a thanks to Master of the Universe for creating it. I had decided I was done with this site as the majority of people giving advice here are too driven by rules and theories that just aren't true. Also, the majority have such a negative attitude towards girls. ("They're all s1uts, etc). I found myself agreeing with EVERY point made in the original posts of this thread. All these made up reals are BS....Either a girl likes you or she doesn't, right from the start. You waiting a certain amount of time to talk to her, etc, isn't going to change that. I wish I had realized this sooner, but I am glad that I will be doing whatever the f!uck i want, when i want, without regard for any rules.

Peace out sosuave, its' been real.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

Read more...

Top