My Current Thoughts on Noobies and Their Posts

[drixsa]

Recently i have seen a harsh backlash on new members of this board.

And yes i too had become frusturated with all their writings and what seemed like simple questions

but i think its time that we stop just saying "read the bible" and practically telling them to go fvck a tree.

if it wasnt for someone answering my noobie question when i first came here then i would have never pushed myself to where i am today

think about when you first came here, did you have all the answers...? if someone hadnt set you along the DJ path where would you be...? and how thankful are you that you that they answered your question and that you kept reading on...?

also thanks to some other noobies posts back when i first came (and even some today), i had a chance to work on my game and learn through helping others with their problems.

We are here to help ourselves and supposedly to help others in this online community.

if a friend asked you for help on your HW would you throw a book at him and tell him to crack it open and figure it out himself or would you spend the 5minutes to help him out?

We should be helping these ppl out instead of yelling 3 words of advice to them. or give them some help and suggest reading the bible, they are hurting themselves if they dont.

if you dont wanna help then dont reply, but to burn someone for a lack of knowledge that you may of just of grasped is wrong. And i am guilty of it myself.

but i think that we need to change how things are done here a little so that we arent just pushing everyone away that doenst have a complicated problem

 

[So pimp its scary]

When I first got here, I posted some pretty AFC questions... and I got AFC answers.

Then, after reading the bible. I started posting RAFC questions... and I got equivalent answers.

Now, when I post a question, it is because it is (in my experience) a unique situation or a situation that can require a little bit of debate, discussion, or clarification. And, once I started doing that, I started getting some quality answers.

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My experience aside, I thik that it is important to teach the AFC that he will be hurt and that he won't have people from the forum around to hold his hand. The best intro advice is all in the bible, and when someone asks "I gotta data tongith... HELP!!!" there is soo much to say that the only thing there is to say is to encourage them to read some more. (Or get out more)

Once people start asking the better questions, they can start getting help that will relate to their situation.

my 2cents

 

[Slickster]

Hey Drix,

I'm wondering if this post has anything to do with my "Has this forum changed" thread?

I do agree that just saying read the bible is lame. I bet there are many out there who've said that enough times to make themselves Master DJ's (500+).

Its good to help people, I agree with that but too many of these simple type posts really bog down the forum. I try to answer noob questions when I can and am feeling up to it but it does grow tiresome.

I've recently been visiting a forum where people discuss hacking DTV. There isn't a bible but many questions have been answered time and time again. If you are a noob and you ask a question that you could find the answer to with a little bit of research...guess what? Nobody answers!

It sounds snobby and elitist yes but there isn't much sympathy for people who won't get off their arses and try and learn for themselves. The information is there you just have to spend the time looking for it like everyone else did when they started.

Thats what this place is about isn't it? Improving and learning for yourself. You can lead a horse to water......

While I agree with you in some ways I think alot more progress is made when people help themselves. Alot of people need a nudge in the right direction sure. But there are too many lazy a$$es around here who want the world given to them by others.

What do you think about hiding the Link to the Discussion forum within the Bible itself?

 

[drixsa]

i learned so much by answering AFC questions when i was RAFC

at this time i see many RAFCs roaming around and i hope that they will be the ones to answer the noobs question

yes it is all about hard work but sometimes ppl just need a oush in the right direction so that they can see the light

hiding a link would be funny but nonetheless get annoying and those who would want to find it would

also, just reading the bible can be quite difficult if u cannot ask questions and get responses in return

the bible is only as good as how much you apply it

 

[Slickster]

Originally posted by drixsa
the bible is only as good as how much you apply it

That is the whole idea? If you're not going to apply what you read in the Bible then what is going to make you apply what some random fool tells you to do?

The post is in the Bible for a reason. How do you know Joe Blow is giving you good advice?

I hear ya Drix I just think people are too lazy to do anything for themselves sometimes.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

the trouble is everyone thinks their case is different, that theres something different about their situation that means what the bible says (which they may be resistant to hear) doesn't apply..

every newb that turns up here with one-itis thinks that this is different because such and such a girl is special and she's the only one that understands him, and the advice the in the bible, to forget about her and move on by approaching other women just seems like complete nonsense to him so he asks here anyway, just to see if theres another way...
eventually he realises there is no other way, but is still reluctant to move on..
and slowly, slowly, he gradually does move on, realises there are other women out there and gets out trying to apply the DJ principles, thats where I'm pretty much at at the moment..

for people to be succesful at something (especially if they have low self esteem) people need pushing in the right direction and encouragement along the way, yes it may be boring having to reply to the newb posts but its the best way to help them, provided you show them the path, (and as we cant actually push them down it try to encourage them to take it) and then offer encouragement when they are making positive steps..

 

[RawkinKaoticStyle]

if there wasent noobs , you wouldent know what a constant member is, so it works with eachother like yin and yang so be nice to noobs, haa

 

[myfriendblu]

Originally posted by MrNiceGuy
the trouble is everyone thinks their case is different, that theres something different about their situation that means what the bible says .............eventually he realises there is no other way, but is still reluctant to move on..

Aw man 100 percent true....every newbie that shows up here is totally guilty of this.....l

For the record, i would like to say i spent months trolling the board and reading the bible before i started posting....

 

[Frank Zappa]

I have to add that not it's only newbies, i was a DJ and got a LTR girlfriend from this site 3 years ago. Then i let shiit slip for 3 years and became an AFC... What happened to me was not pretty and has totally screwed my situation up. This site is for the hunt, the capture, and the feast of a relationship. If you don't refresh your DJ skills in an LTR, you find yourself back at square one.

I think to it's important to address most people's personal problems even if they are generic because most people have trouble believing that their individual lives could be so categorized. I think it's the only way to truly help them even if all you are is regurgitating bible information to noobs. ~Zappa

 

[hacx]

"Iam a newbie(aFc) and proud"