"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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I replied with "Next time you'll meet me we'll have more fun than you ever had with your boyfriend"

What did you reply and what worked?
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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That sounds like a rejection, so probably nothing.

One time I said something similar to a girl with a boyfriend, though. She was showing all the interest signals, and what not. So, I said "wouldn't your BF mind if he was here?", and she said "we're just talking... it's not like we're talking about my crotch"... I said "so, what about your crotch?", and she said "blah blah you probably do this to all girls" - as if to imply I'm the player / wh0re. Then the sex talk escalated... mostly from her. She was a huge wh0re, but incredibly hot. Was definitely down for a **** session - despite having a BF - but my morals got in the way.

But IME, most girls don't really care if they have a BF - so long as they like you / find you attractive / want sex. They might mention him to rid their guilt and justify being wh0res, but it won't be used in a rejective manner. More like blaming him for her wanting to cheat... They usually go right back to them as if nothing happened. Damn wh0res.
 

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How did you get her number then?

Sounds like a serious DB.
 

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I got my first bartenders number a month ago. When i asked her for her number she said she was married. I persisted that we could hang out and get lunch as friends, and she said her husband wouldn't like that. I told her it was up to her, but i'd like to get to know her better.

She was interested and kept asking me for a facebook which i told her i didn't have, then she asked me for email.

I gave her my phone and opened her the contact page for her to save her details and just waited. She put in her number and email and told me to "Email me okay. Just email."

before that she also kept saying how her husband is the jealous type.
 

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Why would you mess with a woman who has a BF or is married?

Are you that desperate for poon when there are so many single women available?

Pathetic.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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5string said:
Why would you mess with a woman who has a BF or is married?

Are you that desperate for poon when there are so many single women available?

Pathetic.
I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you apologize now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will ...
 

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I spent a good 2 hours talking to that married bartender. She never once mentioned a husband or boyfriend. She did mention her kid, but so many women have kids nowadays, you would never assume they're married. Especially a bartender. Peer pressure hit when my coworkers started commenting seeing how i hit it off with the bartender so i went to close her before i left. I found out in the last 2 minutes that she was married, she showed me a ring but i definitely was still going to try to get her number before i left at that point. I spent 2 hours talking to her and have a crowd of people behind me.

I pulled it off.

5string, you sound pretty insecure and pathetic. This is life and relationships and marriages fail on a daily basis. Especially here in America where women feel entitled to everything (have their cake and eat it too). You preach all this stuff about how your marriage is successful but in your last post you reek of insecurity. sh1t happens, be secure enough to know it's not going to happen to you or find someone else that you do feel secure with and trust.

If i get married, am i expecting that no one try and talk to my wife, grab her phone number, flirt with her and try to ruin my marriage, etc? Heck no. I expect that to happen all the time. If i plan to get married, i'd expect my frame to be the opposite of yours. Secure, confident, and realistic.

People cheat, relationships fall apart, and if you fail to see that you're in for a rude awakening.

anyways, even though i grabbed the married girls number, it just didn't feel right talking to her when she had a kid/family. Plus i don't feel like dealing with any of the baggage/drama with being married since i can talk to a single girl instead. when you grow up thinking girls are the greatest thing on earth and see this type of behavior, branch swinging, and everything you'd consider inappropriate, you realize that women are only human like the rest of us and make mistakes.
 

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I'm with 5string here actually. Just because cheating happens doesn't mean you have to help it happen. Good on you for showing some morals! Why fvck with someone else's relationship when, as he said, there are plenty of single women everywhere?

Of course if a dj gets hitched, presumably the woman is going to be of high quality and get approached a lot, and the dj has to be ready for that. But does that mean he should be trying to make and take opportunities with attached women? Each to his own, but for me, no. Maybe if you're just communicating with her for a bit of practise it's fine....

On topic, in this situation my actual reply would be slight dig and then total disinterest (as she's attached), something like "it's OK, if he asks nicely he can watch!" or "is it really fun dating someone that insecure?" but this would just be a parting handshake rather than a way to get her more interested.
 

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5string said:
Why would you mess with a woman who has a BF or is married?

Are you that desperate for poon when there are so many single women available?

Pathetic.
Never understood this viewpoint. Just doesn't make sense. If I were in a relationship/marriage and found out some guy I didn't know was f-ing my wife, SHE's the one I'd hate, not HIM. Why the FWCK would I have anything against the guy?! He doesn't even know me he doesn't have any obligation to me
 

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Philippe Schlichting said:
I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you apologize now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will ...
It does not matter who's right or wrong. The point is that why pursue or be pursued by someone who is married or has a bf/gf when there are single folks out there?

And should you wish to come a lookin' for me, I'm around. Just bring someone along who's smart enough to read a fvckin roadmap rosebud. :flowers:
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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AAAgent said:
I spent a good 2 hours talking to that married bartender. She never once mentioned a husband or boyfriend. She did mention her kid, but so many women have kids nowadays, you would never assume they're married. Especially a bartender. Peer pressure hit when my coworkers started commenting seeing how i hit it off with the bartender so i went to close her before i left. I found out in the last 2 minutes that she was married, she showed me a ring but i definitely was still going to try to get her number before i left at that point. I spent 2 hours talking to her and have a crowd of people behind me.

I pulled it off.

5string, you sound pretty insecure and pathetic. This is life and relationships and marriages fail on a daily basis. Especially here in America where women feel entitled to everything (have their cake and eat it too). You preach all this stuff about how your marriage is successful but in your last post you reek of insecurity. sh1t happens, be secure enough to know it's not going to happen to you or find someone else that you do feel secure with and trust.

If i get married, am i expecting that no one try and talk to my wife, grab her phone number, flirt with her and try to ruin my marriage, etc? Heck no. I expect that to happen all the time. If i plan to get married, i'd expect my frame to be the opposite of yours. Secure, confident, and realistic.

People cheat, relationships fall apart, and if you fail to see that you're in for a rude awakening.

anyways, even though i grabbed the married girls number, it just didn't feel right talking to her when she had a kid/family. Plus i don't feel like dealing with any of the baggage/drama with being married since i can talk to a single girl instead. when you grow up thinking girls are the greatest thing on earth and see this type of behavior, branch swinging, and everything you'd consider inappropriate, you realize that women are only human like the rest of us and make mistakes.
AAA

You have been one of my favorites on here, but to call me insecure and pathetic is pretty lame. You want to hit on taken women, that's your business and none of mine. I just don't believe it's appropriate behavior. Very simple. We disagree. And don't lecture me about life.
 

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5string said:
Why would you mess with a woman who has a BF or is married?

Are you that desperate for poon when there are so many single women available?

Pathetic.
So you can dish it out harsh criticism but can't take it? Maybe you shouldn't be posting here then.

Everyone is here to learn or involved in the learning process, dealing with resistance/LMR is very common. Your opinion of gaming married/taken women is YOUR opinion. I'm sure there are plenty of men out there that both agree and disagree with that. It's our choice to talk to whoever we want and the females choice if they're taken, to cheat or not.

Ultimately, i'm out to take care of myself. I've made out with girls with boyfriends and girls with boyfriends have tried to sleep with me as well. I have never physically messed with a married chick. I'm not out there wondering if this girl or that girl is married or has a boyfriend. I'm out there to gauge interest and capitalize on it if i want to.

If you're going to dish out harsh comments, be prepared for the same in return.
 
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I suspect some guys get off on being able to get of with attached women, a bit like a dog pi$$ing on another dogs tree, its a bit of a power kick. Ive done it, got mixed feelings about it.
its not something Id pursue but doing it...you do learn a lot about about womens lack of loyalty
 

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betheman said:
I suspect some guys get off on being able to get of with attached women, a bit like a dog pi$$ing on another dogs tree, its a bit of a power kick. Ive done it, got mixed feelings about it.
its not something Id pursue but doing it...you do learn a lot about about womens lack of loyalty
Especially since they're the ones who initiate and pursue - then lie, justify, and blame after the fact. It's like they simply don't care.... except for the reprocussions afterwards. No accountability, no punishment. Damn all that noise. :box:
 

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Never understood this viewpoint. Just doesn't make sense. If I were in a relationship/marriage and found out some guy I didn't know was f-ing my wife, SHE's the one I'd hate, not HIM. Why the FWCK would I have anything against the guy?! He doesn't even know me he doesn't have any obligation to me
This X1000. I was just thinking about this earlier. I wouldn't even get mad at the guy, because if I was in his situation I'd probably do the same thing. I'd just swallow the urge to hit her, dump her, and move on. But I'm never getting married anyway, so I won't have to worry about this type of stuff...
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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So you can dish it out harsh criticism but can't take it? Maybe you shouldn't be posting here then.

Everyone is here to learn or involved in the learning process, dealing with resistance/LMR is very common. Your opinion of gaming married/taken women is YOUR opinion. I'm sure there are plenty of men out there that both agree and disagree with that. It's our choice to talk to whoever we want and the females choice if they're taken, to cheat or not.

Ultimately, i'm out to take care of myself. I've made out with girls with boyfriends and girls with boyfriends have tried to sleep with me as well. I have never physically messed with a married chick. I'm not out there wondering if this girl or that girl is married or has a boyfriend. I'm out there to gauge interest and capitalize on it if i want to.

If you're going to dish out harsh comments, be prepared for the same in return.
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I'll handle anything you can toss my way, harsh or not. You're right, it's my opinion and we simply disagree. Can you not understand that?

My point is only that why mess with taken women when you have so many to choose from who are single?

When you shop for a car, would you rather steal it off the lot or buy it outright?
 
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told her it was up to her, but i'd like to get to know her better.
In what tone of voice did you say that? A little bit desperate? Annoyed? Calm? Confident? Be honest here.

before that she also kept saying how her husband is the jealous type
Basically I see two reasons she says that: 1. She is afraid of him, which makes her horny. 2. She pictures you being beaten up and her motherly instinct makes her try to avoid you getting hurt.

Are you skinny so she presumes you would lose in a fight against him? Or is your voice pitched high? I usually try to make her understand that I am going to be a threat to him(and her should she sic him on me).
 

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um...i was pretty buzzed so i don't really remember the exact state but probably a mixture of persistent, confident & calm and indifferent. I was trying to leave and didn't want to wait too long so i made it clear it was her choice and her loss potentially. I couldn't care less if i didn't get her number.

I'm not a small guy, but not super tall. 5'11, 180lbs, muscular frame, broad shoulders and large chest. I consider myself decently attractive. I don't have a high or low pitched voice.

Her husband could have easily been bigger than me since she was fairly tall herself but that being said, i'm pretty sure most woman would want to prevent a fight stemming from their infidelity.
 

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My boyfriend wouldn't like it.

Tell your boyfriend not to knock it until he's tried it. ;)
 

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Philippe Schlichting said:
I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you apologize now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will ...
Oh geez. You got from the movie "Taken" starring Liam Neeson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uEy8SrqitU ... 20 seconds point...

Pathetic.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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