My biggest misunderstanding

[Ranger]

I’ve never been more liberated. Women are adorable. I love it.

 

[Ranger]

I was emailing with mrgoodstuff yeasterday. The mind and generics/biology of women is actually quite fantastic. The optimum most efficient breeding machine. It’s no wonder that we as a species survived.
I tried to post more stuff but someone must have complained to the moderators.

You really can’t blame women for any of this. It just means you don’t fully get it yet. There’s still some conflicts between ideas you have and the stuff being talked about.
There’s the way things should be and then there’s the way things are. You keep battling over these.
There is no battle really. You are just held up like a pinata to be beaten with a big stick as you twist and turn in the air. The only battle is in your own minds.

Like mrgoodstuff and I were talking yesterday. Everything you believe and everything you experience in this, is an illusion. One socially constructed to keep you small and at the mercy of a very simple and interesting creature called, woman.
The only power she has over you is your wrecked mind. The elephant can easily escape by just tugging on the rope with his leg and pull that stake out of the ground. But when he was a little elephant, that stake in the ground held him fast.
He still believes as an adult, that he is powerless to the rope and stake. That’s all.

 

[R.U.G.]

I was emailing with mrgoodstuff yeasterday. The mind and generics/biology of women is actually quite fantastic. The optimum most efficient breeding machine. It’s no wonder that we as a species survived.

You do realize that all female species do about the same thing in terms of breeding. We are, after all, animals. Albeit, some more than others.. Nothing that special. Female women do the same as females in the other species such as cattle, monkeys, horses, deer, kangaroos, etc.

 

[jaymbrs]

Once a women loses attraction and starts acting disrespectful, there's nothing you could do but leave, cut off all contact, delete her from all ur social media etc. Be an invincible ghost to her and even towards ur children (if any).

That will flip the script.

2 people who's been together for more then a year will be bonded to each other, it's inevitable and the longer you've been together the more deeper that bond. Cutting that bond immediately will affect her. There's no way it doesn't. Its more then likely she'll initiate contact. She can't stand not knowing.

But hold on. Let her suffer some more. By then she has created multiple scenarios, imagined or real in her mind. Her hamster will start spinning over time, her emotions will spike then suddenly out of the blue, she'll realise she's in love with you, that feeling that spark that was lost has now returned with urgency.

Once that happens she'll come back into your FRAME.

Gentlemen, the ability to dismiss is a powerful tool when applied properly.

Side note: If she doesn't initiate contact after 6 months then that relationship is as good as dead.

I've had an 80% "returnees" rate by doing this and they were not even wife's.

Waaaay easier said than done. What's a guy supposed to do when living together? Move in with a friend for 6 months? Get another property? And are you kidding me about the kids? That is 1000% not going to happen.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Waaaay easier said than done. What's a guy supposed to do when living together? Move in with a friend for 6 months? Get another property? And are you kidding me about the kids? That is 1000% not going to happen.

Weve been talking about interim techniques to use before completely breaking it up.

Its pretty serious and extreme measures are required.

Shes decided your the enemy and has fired on some of your positions. Shes cut trade in attempts to starve you. And is threatening with nukes.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

My personal belief in a marriage or serious LTR once shes shutting you down sexually, consistent disrespect or violence that serious action must be taken.

There are alot of actions outside of complaining (bytching) that can be taken.

You can cut off support. Stop helping her. Stop paying hers or joint bills. You can ignore her. You can cheat on her. You can disrespect her in similar or greater fashions. For violence you can restrain and have her put in jail.

Theres a bunch you can do.

A man i knew who was much less polite than me explained if his wife doesnt put out, in 30 days hes cheating. In 90 days hes gone.

 

[Ranger]

Without desire and sex there is no relationship.
There’s only you trying to get desire, intimacy and sex.

 

[jaymbrs]

Weve been talking about interim techniques to use before completely breaking it up.

Its pretty serious and extreme measures are required.

Shes decided your the enemy and has fired on some of your positions. Shes cut trade in attempts to starve you. And is threatening with nukes.

It's a ****ed up situation when the woman uses the kids as leverage. I've had a couple of male relatives and friends have their ***** wives/baby's moms threaten to keep them from seeing the kids. It's the worst situation to be in and IMO the relationship is done at that point. Time to go to court.

 

[btownbuck2012]

Once a women loses attraction and starts acting disrespectful, there's nothing you could do but leave, cut off all contact, delete her from all ur social media etc. Be an invincible ghost to her and even towards ur children (if any).

That will flip the script.

2 people who's been together for more then a year will be bonded to each other, it's inevitable and the longer you've been together the more deeper that bond. Cutting that bond immediately will affect her. There's no way it doesn't. Its more then likely she'll initiate contact. She can't stand not knowing.

But hold on. Let her suffer some more. By then she has created multiple scenarios, imagined or real in her mind. Her hamster will start spinning over time, her emotions will spike then suddenly out of the blue, she'll realise she's in love with you, that feeling that spark that was lost has now returned with urgency.

Once that happens she'll come back into your FRAME.

Gentlemen, the ability to dismiss is a powerful tool when applied properly.

Side note: If she doesn't initiate contact after 6 months then that relationship is as good as dead.

I've had an 80% "returnees" rate by doing this and they were not even wife's.

IMO social media and feminism have disabled this reaction in the mind of females. I agree that if SHOULD work used to work but we live in different times. What’s really fascinating to me is that if you look at the typical relationship cycle of a narcissist/sociopath/psychopath it is not all that different than how the vast majority of females, whether mentally ill or not, conduct themselves in dating.

 

[btownbuck2012]

1. Extreme Idealization and Love Bombing...in modern times the slowly building interest that was considered ideal in the past just means low il and dating other men/exes. You wouldn't even want such a woman, leads to sexless relationship as provider/backup.

2. Sociopathic Entitlement post honeymoon/narcissistic supply seeking...entitled to infinite stimulation and validation, completely delusional view of what relationships actually are, so lots of validating orbiters and outright cheating on the side too because she deserves it.

3. Extreme Devaluation/discard...verbal abuse, gaslighting you "I'm not being distant, you're insecure and controlling", cheating not just to monkey branching but to try to humiliate the man for the sin of boring her, push/pull, playing to win, lying, demonizing you to herself and others.

Do you think there are any long term effects for women who act this way who aren’t legit cluster b or sociopaths? I just don’t see how this way of interacting with others, again for someone who isn’t legitimately mentally ill, doesn’t produce some nasty effects in the way of guilt or self hatred later in life.

 

[Ranger]

Do you think there are any long term effects for women who act this way who aren’t legit cluster b or sociopaths? I just don’t see how this way of interacting with others, again for someone who isn’t legitimately mentally ill, doesn’t produce some nasty effects in the way of guilt or self hatred later in life.

I’m not so sure. You might be right.
Put yourself in her position. Men are more assertive and no matter what is done by the political stupidity.
You’re stronger, assertive, we get things done. We are highly creative. We tackle things that are pretty scary to women. Roll all these things up and package them and call it men.
Now enter woman. How does she not be a wall ornament or a baby machine?
She has to psychologically and manipulatively work her way into optimum survivability.
How would you do it?

 

[btownbuck2012]

I’m not so sure. You might be right.
Put yourself in her position. Men are more assertive and no matter what is done by the political stupidity.
You’re stronger, assertive, we get things done. We are highly creative. We tackle things that are pretty scary to women. Roll all these things up and package them and call it men.
Now enter woman. How does she not be a wall ornament or a baby machine?
She has to psychologically and manipulatively work her way into optimum survivability.
How would you do it?

I would say, in terms of speaking red pill acceptance, this is the one thing I still am struggling to accept. I understand Hypergamy, I understand that as men we have a burden of performance and I understand how women and men are fundamentally different. What I do not understand, however, is the seeming ability women have to act in ways that almost contradict basis human nature and even a fundamental level of morality. I am at a cross roads between accepting this as Hypergamy vs maybe the last few generations of women are just shi*ty. They have been bred and socially enforced to act in inhuman ways. You think of how sociopaths are made. Poor home environment and problems with their primary care givers. Well thanks to feminism I feel like MOST people are born into this environment. More single parent homes, more weak men not respected by women. So is what we’re seeing actually Hypergamy or is it a group of people that have been conditioned to act immorally?

 

[btownbuck2012]

Depression if forced to settle by age, but rare to hear them connect the depression with karma for mistreating ppl. It's just amazing to me to see the guy my first GF is stuck with now. She went from a legit 8.5 to a 4, as is her man. She could have easily locked me down and I would still be loyal to her to this day with higher SMV.

Stuff like this is why I don’t even really bother reading posts anymore that are focused on Hypergamy or stuff you can do to improve your value and “why it’s important”. As you often metion on this forum once you’ve done every thing right and still get burned by enough women it leaves you in a kind of nihilistic state. Who cares kind of thing. I’ve talked about her a few times on this forum but that Jamaican girl in ny I pulled a few months after the after math of my cluster b nightmare was a legit 9.5. Banged her on the second date and the sex was good. Was talking about cooking for me the next weekend and then poof she’s gone. And I’m left scratching my head thinking “lol this is dumb”. Wasn’t even that upset. More like a “wow, this is really stupid” kind of feeling. Same thing with an Asian girl I banged a few weeks later. Just unbelievably dirty sex. Very dirty talk the next day via text and poof she’s gone.

This is an epidemic of behavior that leaves you feeling like you’re losing your mind. Couple that with the fact that most women who I see that are in relationships often seem hell bent on dominating their men. I don’t care what Rollo or any of the other red pill gods say, this is NOT Hypergamy. This is a society, as you put it, of broken and abused women. Women have a hive mind and aren’t able to see what they are even apart of. The more you try to help them the more fierce and sharp the kickback is, and th powers that be, media, enforce that sharp kick back. Its left me scratching my head wondering what my next move will be.

 

[btownbuck2012]

The fact is that there is a rape culture in this country of paedophilia.

I actually didn’t even know what that term meant until I just googled it. I didn’t even know what that was. How prevalent is that do you think in millennial women we’re currently dating? What would you ballpark the percentage at if you had to take a stab at it? And I mean them being on the receiving end of it when they were kids.

 

[Ranger]

What I do not understand, however, is the seeming ability women have to act in ways that almost contradict basis human nature and even a fundamental level of morality. I am at a cross roads between accepting this as Hypergamy vs maybe the last few generations of women are just shi*ty.?

This I understand. I was close to my grandmother who was a teenager during the depression. She was quite the woman. She told me the stories about how girls during the depression near Hays Kansas would sleep with a random migrant worker that they wanted.
Some of them did it often enough that they became pregnant. To solve it they then slept with their boy friends, who they had been holding out on until marriage. These were down Home Christian girls in good German families. Wealthy farming families. As well as poor girls.
These young men thought those children were there own. I think she said there were close to a dozen of them. Smaller town than you think.
They raised those bastard babies like they were theirs and had no clue.
Think on that. Biology trumps morals, decency and everything else.

 

[btownbuck2012]

I'd say 10% or more, possibly 20%

Probably you take a sample population of single women over 30 it jumps higher than that for sure

 

[highSpeed]

This I understand. I was close to my grandmother who was a teenager during the depression. She was quite the woman. She told me the stories about how girls during the depression near Hays Kansas would sleep with a random migrant worker that they wanted.
Some of them did it often enough that they became pregnant. To solve it they then slept with their boy friends, who they had been holding out on until marriage. These were down Home Christian girls in good German families. Wealthy farming families. As well as poor girls.
These young men thought those children were there own. I think she said there were close to a dozen of them. Smaller town than you think.
They raised those bastard babies like they were theirs and had no clue.
Think on that. Biology trumps morals, decency and everything else.

And I wonder why guys melt down in family court and go after people. We just had a case where I'm at with someone getting shot outside family court by the guy. Can you imagine the mental anguish of finding out you've been raising another man's child that you had thought the entire time was yours? Might be enough to make some guys snap.

 

[Ranger]

And I wonder why guys melt down in family court and go after people. We just had a case where I'm at with someone getting shot outside family court by the guy. Can you imagine the mental anguish of finding out you've been raising another man's child that you had thought the entire time was yours? Might be enough to make some guys snap.

Things even get better. Lol
People don’t realize the true purpose of abortion. Nearly 90% of abortion’s are done because the woman doesn’t know who the father is and doesn’t want her LTR or husband to ever find out that it possibly isn’t his.
This was discovered when the DNA chain was cracked and they analyzed the different blood groups. I believe the reference is in “The Red Queen” by Matt Ripley.
The purpose of abortion is to keep Hypergamy secret and protected. Almost a must now that DNA tests are getting pretty darn good.

 

[btownbuck2012]

And I wonder why guys melt down in family court and go after people. We just had a case where I'm at with someone getting shot outside family court by the guy. Can you imagine the mental anguish of finding out you've been raising another man's child that you had thought the entire time was yours? Might be enough to make some guys snap.

Yeah man...I’d snap if that happened to me. Which is why I don’t plan on getting married.

 

[Spaz]

IMO social media and feminism have disabled this reaction in the mind of females. I agree that if SHOULD work used to work but we live in different times. What’s really fascinating to me is that if you look at the typical relationship cycle of a narcissist/sociopath/psychopath it is not all that different than how the vast majority of females, whether mentally ill or not, conduct themselves in dating.

It WILL work, well an estimated 80% of the time - as compared 2 whatever a man does as an appeasement or even a compromise, once you go down that road, you've in their frame and being in their frame is a whirlpool of emotions that you can't control neither could they in actuality, they have a multitude of different hormones with different intensity on any given week thats proven to affect a women's judgement/feelings.

Your only hope is breaking the bond that you've both shared and as well as doing what I said in my above postings. This will then indirectly force her to have high emotional thoughts abt you, she won't be able to control it.

For example, if u hv say a guitar or anything that you've used but kept it in sight and then suddenly it's missing, you'll notice it missing even if you've not used it in months - and the longer you be kept it the more you've "bonded" with it.

You'll have an itch that's hard to let go..its gonna occupy ur mind and it's gonna make u search for it.

It'll make you reminiscence of the past with that particular thing. You can't control it. Neither can anyone. It's an automatic reaction. And she's being an emotional being will most assuredly have it harder. Do you disagree?

That's what you need 2 harness and expand - exploit.

Sounds exploitative ? It's not.

It's taking a lead to save ur relationship and bringing her into ur frame.

Doing anything else will not generate any tangible long term results. Yes she might agree initially to some forms of rational compromises - in the beginning but it always ends up the same down a few months or in a year or 2 ? I think many here knows this deep down.

Side note: once u r in her frame, you've fvcked and you've allowed it to destroy ur marriage/relationship by not taking the lead towards ur frame.