"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Wow, I must of looked like such a god damn loser. Okay, so this is the situation, I'm on the bus, feeling confident and there is this chick, named Katie, that I talk to(Freshmen), man did that suck. So, I say "Hey, what's your name?", shes like "Why do you want to know?" and then, everything just goes downhill, I say "Ah, you know, I just want to talk to you." and she's giving me this, "Okay... why is this person talking to me? It's really weird." look, she gave me her name, but it didn't go much further than that. Then, man, this other guy started praising me on saying, "Yeah, man, but she's got already got a boyfriend.", and then embarassed, oh man, I BSed not only them, but myself, by nervously saying, "W- Well, it's not like I was trying to get her or anything, just talking, you know, uh- small talk.", I f*cking denied my masculinity. Then I just turned my head and didn't go back, because she was already looking at me like she thought I was a little weird and I could tell she wasn't interested(Who can blame her? I didn't sound confident at all), so I didn't even go for the "So, what are you doing this weekend?", I just gave up.
 
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"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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That was a train wreck from the start, but good job trying something, esp. after all the bgitching and complaining in posts around month ago.

Now that you know one reaction to "What's your name", think of a counter-counter reaction ot her counter reaction and try that.

"What's your name"
"Why do you want to know"
"Because I like knowing the name of someone who's good looking, so what is it?"

(not tested...but something c&f to offset her mood, compliment her...get her to open up)
 

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You did everything wrong from the beginning like Docs said. If you know here name why are you asking her her name. wow kid honestly you are HOPELESS.

you've been on these forums since april and it appears you havent learned squat.

after she said why do you want to know you should of jus said "because i want to know the names of the people on MY bus (saying this like you own the bus), do you forget your own name or something?"

this would make her embarrased but if she went ahead and kept talking **** this is when you say "your a ***** ya fkn freshman now quit actin like your tough cuz in my eyes your a dinky freshmen who needs to learn to respect upper classmen now if i ever see you on this bus again your gonna wish you were never born."

me sayin this im guessing ur not a freshmen so if any guys give you **** after this you say "hey buddy do somethin about it"

but by the looks of it you have no friends and your a weak hopeless ***** with nothing inbetween your legs
 

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redbullfbu:

At least he tried to do something, he gets credit for that. Sure, he gave up too quick, but it's all in the glory of learning.
 

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You: Hey, whats your name?
Her: Why do you wanna know?
You: (laugh a bit to lighten the mood) what are you fvckin' fbi or something, you can't give out your name?
Her: (more stupid *****y ****)
You: This is how you treat your future baby's daddy?
Her: (SLAP)
You: (cummin on her face and washing it off with your piss)
Her: OMG

Work the ****y and funny bro and your in!
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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lol damn redbull cool it a little.

Words like that can turn people suicidal.

Viper, here's what you have to do.

pretty much get over her.

Just work on massive cold approach.
Seroiusly just grab your balls. When i first started i was probably approaching every hot girl i could see everytime i saw one.
(I used to BMX a lot so whenever i'd see one i'd walk up all sweaty and start talking to them and eventually put my helmet on them and laugh.)
You know what they did though? They acted like they enjoyed the sweat, Clean and showered pretty preppy girls already wetting themselves just by my sweat.

When they see confidence they'll wet their panties and want you to dip inside their sweet little holes they hide from everyone.

SO VIPER, you're still in high school USE EVERYDAY TO YOUR ADVANTAGE. EVERY SINGLE DAMN DAY.

Don't take a few days for granted like i did.

I took a few months for granted maybe.

You probably wont get laid much this year but you have a chance next year so work on immense huge game this year.

Seriously cold approach every damn woman you see.
It helps a lot, after i while i was getting a 80% return rate on phone numbers and that's pretty good considering i was hitting on 35-40 + girls a week.

look down, realize you have a penis and some testicles and realize that they are there to **** women and to produce testosterone, DON'T BOG THEM DOWN and DON'T BE AFRAID OF HOW YOU FEEL NO MATTER WHAT. K?

I want you to approach 3 girls and tell me on this post how it went.
 

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Dont directly ask whats your name....say "hey are you Jenny" Her "no" you "oh, you look exactly like my friend jenny...whats your name"

This shows social proof and HAS been field tested.
 

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Wow Viper, you have to get passed step one with getting her name WITHOUT messing up. You don't necessarily have say "hey, what's your name". You can start off a conversation by saying "I can smell the exhaust from this freakin' raggidy bus, can't you?"....If she says "eww yeah! I can" say something like "That's it, I'm sueing them penniless, and you're going to help me." (not giving her an option) but, nonetheless, keeping a good convo. If she says "no, not quite", you can say, "you need to get your nose checked, you just may have a problem sense of smell" if she's really stuck up, she'll say "ummmmmm, NO"...then you blow her off by saying "Hey, I was just trying to do you a favor, but that's your problem, I'm not worried about it" then turn around after she releases eye contact.
Seriously, you've got to work on being confident with these women or else you can call yourself done. You are ALWAYS at ground zero when you post.

Good Luck:cool:
 

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Originally posted by DJ4Real
Wow Viper, you have to get passed step one with getting her name WITHOUT messing up.
Haha. Its good that he tried, BUT obviously he hasnt learned shiiat. She probably wasnt interested in what the hell you had to say before she got on the bus. Youre still playing single A ball, DONT try to step up to the pros cause youre not ready.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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**** all these people being hard on you bro, you get credit for having the balls to talk to a new face. Keep working at it and keep gaining conifidence.
 

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You went to her and you talked, thats the hardest part, the rest is refinement and comes with time.

Just dont let it get you down, you may feel like a loser, but I promise you that at least somebody who witnessed all that respects you for what you did.

By the way, the girl really acted immaturly/b!tchy, at least you weeded her out.
 

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lol damn redbull cool it a little.

Words like that can turn people suicidal.

Viper, here's what you have to do.

pretty much get over her.

Just work on massive cold approach.
Seroiusly just grab your balls. When i first started i was probably approaching every hot girl i could see everytime i saw one.
(I used to BMX a lot so whenever i'd see one i'd walk up all sweaty and start talking to them and eventually put my helmet on them and laugh.)
You know what they did though? They acted like they enjoyed the sweat, Clean and showered pretty preppy girls already wetting themselves just by my sweat.

When they see confidence they'll wet their panties and want you to dip inside their sweet little holes they hide from everyone.

SO VIPER, you're still in high school USE EVERYDAY TO YOUR ADVANTAGE. EVERY SINGLE DAMN DAY.

Don't take a few days for granted like i did.

I took a few months for granted maybe.

You probably wont get laid much this year but you have a chance next year so work on immense huge game this year.

Seriously cold approach every damn woman you see.
It helps a lot, after i while i was getting a 80% return rate on phone numbers and that's pretty good considering i was hitting on 35-40 + girls a week.

look down, realize you have a penis and some testicles and realize that they are there to **** women and to produce testosterone, DON'T BOG THEM DOWN and DON'T BE AFRAID OF HOW YOU FEEL NO MATTER WHAT. K?

I want you to approach 3 girls and tell me on this post how it went.
Approaching is not the problem, if a girl is alone, I have no problem approaching her, but when there's a group of people around, I'm more hesistant to do it, which is why I don't approach girls that are in groups, because if I can hardly grab interest in one random girl, how am I going to grab interest in 4 or 5 random girls, at the same time? Exactly. But let's face it, girls are in groups alot, at lunch, in the hallway, in class, so instead of whining about it, I want to know, how can I get better at approaching girls in groups? Is approaching girls in groups different from approaching single girls? What applies to single approaches that doesn't apply to approaching girls in groups? It would really help me out if someone answered these. I'm also afraid that I won't grab enough interest in the conversation and this encounter with Katie, hasn't really helped that. But yeah, I'll definitely try to approach more girls when they're are not in groups, approaching 3 girls will be nothing, I'm more afraid what the results could be, than the approaching.
Dont directly ask whats your name....say "hey are you Jenny" Her "no" you "oh, you look exactly like my friend jenny...whats your name"

This shows social proof and HAS been field tested.
I'll try this if I ever get in a situation like this.
 

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If a girl is in a group, talk to the group, be like, Hey, how are you ALL doing. Talk to the group, and then single out the girl, get her away from the group. And if she doesn't and is like Why the **** should I. Then say something smart, and really embarrse her infront of her friends. Revenge is sweet. :cool:
 

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How do you grab interest in random girls?
Make them interact with each other and you.
Crack a few jokes, neg hits, etc. Get a fun situation going where everyone is talking, then right when it gets good, get numbers and DISSAPPEAR. Just imagine a situation with you and your buddies or family or something, Imagine how you'd joke around with them and talk, just add some neg hits and make sure you remember that they are girls otherwise you'd be talking to them like a friend would. Give a ****y smile, laugh at things then smile.
Keep a smile going, Smiles indicate fun. If you want to keep them interested a straight face will just equal SILENCE. you DO NOT want silence.

BAM awesome first impression and will have them talkign about you for a few minutes, then when you call them they'll talk to each other about it, THEN YOU CAN START, with the competition.
PLUS, when their friends are talking to each other


Groups of girls are MUCH BETTER to approach than one single girl.

I'll list the reasons, the reasonons behind the reasons, and a few tips.

Reason 1.

They're with their friends, they don't feel as intimidated or scared if you approach them, they feel more relaxed.

Reason 2.

YOU CAN USE THEIR FRIENDS to your advantage, don't just hit on the girl you want, hit on all of them. No matter how fat or ugly.
LOL. This breathes competition, and keeps them guessing, also shows your confidence that you are lassoing 4-5 girls at once.


Reason 3.

If you're good enough, you can start dating all of them and they'll just get EXTREMELY competitive with each other and never admit it to each other hahahahaha. This **** is great because you'll get them all f*cking you while secretly hating each other (very amusing to watch)

People say that's bad to break up their friendship like that... But if a guy can seperate them and have them hating each other, they were never friends in the first place.

Reason 4.

EASY SEX.

Hm... i'm getting to in depth about AFTER the approach.

Ok well basically it's easier, better in just about every fashionable way except if you want one girl you have to end the competition early.

Tips if they give you a funny look.

Laugh at their look, "hah you don't have to give me that look i'm not trying to mug you."

Walk away with you being above them, which later will let you talk to them again.

"hah, well you're already ****ing up.. Damn" then leave.

NEVER CALL A GIRL A ***** IF YOU DON'T KNOW THEM.
I've gotten in many fights becaues they call their boyfriends and send them after me. It's pointless stupid drama and who needs more enemies added to their list.

OK here's one i used at a food court type place.

(Food in tray in hand)

"hey do you ladies mind if i sit with you?"

"no, or sometimes yes"

I always got a no. I just used to **** up on conversation haha.

"so what brings you guys here"

"hanging out, shopping, eating, etc."

"sounds pretty gay, i came here to buy, (name specific item) and decided to grab a bite to eat."

"gay?"

"yeah sounds like something a gay guy would be doing"
or
"yeah that sounds boring"

Or they'll just kind of look at each other and kind of laugh surprised.

In the bus, i havent really done this but i can think of a few things...

"Hi"

Girl, (wierded out because you're a guy on the school bus and there's 2,000 other guys in that school so she needs something other than hi to give you a chance")

"What, i'm not trying to mug you or anything, What class are you girls?"

"blah"

"i see, i just got here, this school seems pretty gay though, but i guess we'll see"

(Since you are a freshmen, you have to make it like YOU are the decision maker on who you are, not all the other classes)

"yeah.... ok..."

Point something out of theirs and conversate on it, DO NOT COMPLIMENT ON IT AT THIS POINT.

"yeah, blah blah blah blah."

"Just keep it fun"

Try it again and give me results and i can go from there.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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