Komodo
Master Don Juan
Do you guys have any tips for the future movie maker or acter who doesn't know where to start?Serious movie fans only.
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Uh, a camera, for starters. Of the motion variety perhaps.
But seriously, if you're asking for those in the know, they're gonna need more info than that
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Movie making, or acting? I can help with movie making. But I need a lot more to go on. Style? Feature length? Education? Technicals?
But seriously, if you're asking for those in the know, they're gonna need more info than that
. Movie making, or acting? I can help with movie making. But I need a lot more to go on. Style? Feature length? Education? Technicals?
Real Advice
Having worked in the film industry for 10+ years, here is what you need to know. If you wantto be an actor, first thing you have to do is move to LA. There really is'nt much choice about. Yeah, if your really, really, really, good , you might be able to make a decent living working regional theater. But to make any real money, you gotta go to LA.
The second thing is that you actually have to become skilled at your profession. Most actors that I have met were not really that good. They were not necessarily bad, just nothing exceptional about them. The ones who actually make it, actually are very talented individuals who deserve the $$$ they get.
The last part is unfortunately you better be good looking. I'm not talking about just better than average or cute, but actually a good looking individual. Excluding noteable exceptions (Roseanne, Camryn Manheim) how many times have you seen a really ugly person on TV? or even just an average looking person?
If you got the big three and a good attitude, then you will get gigs.
To be a director or screenwriter, it is diferent. It is all about the quality of your product, so you have to start either writing or directing now. Just keep producing product until you start creating something decent or at least people like. When you get to that point, enter every friggin screenplay contest or film festival around. You need to get your film /screenplay seen by as many people as possible. Hopefully, one will actually be in position of power to do something with it. Success is a lot of times determined by those who are most willing to grind out.
My favorite example is M. Night Shymalan (or something like that). He is most famous for directing/writting "The Sixth Sense". Okay, it took something like 4 years to write that film because he rewrote 12 times. All that effort obviously paid off.
If you really want to do it, great. Remember, though it will probably take 5 to 10 years for it to pay off. It is very hard work. Getting hot chicks is much easier.
Having worked in the film industry for 10+ years, here is what you need to know. If you wantto be an actor, first thing you have to do is move to LA. There really is'nt much choice about. Yeah, if your really, really, really, good , you might be able to make a decent living working regional theater. But to make any real money, you gotta go to LA.
The second thing is that you actually have to become skilled at your profession. Most actors that I have met were not really that good. They were not necessarily bad, just nothing exceptional about them. The ones who actually make it, actually are very talented individuals who deserve the $$$ they get.
The last part is unfortunately you better be good looking. I'm not talking about just better than average or cute, but actually a good looking individual. Excluding noteable exceptions (Roseanne, Camryn Manheim) how many times have you seen a really ugly person on TV? or even just an average looking person?
If you got the big three and a good attitude, then you will get gigs.
To be a director or screenwriter, it is diferent. It is all about the quality of your product, so you have to start either writing or directing now. Just keep producing product until you start creating something decent or at least people like. When you get to that point, enter every friggin screenplay contest or film festival around. You need to get your film /screenplay seen by as many people as possible. Hopefully, one will actually be in position of power to do something with it. Success is a lot of times determined by those who are most willing to grind out.
My favorite example is M. Night Shymalan (or something like that). He is most famous for directing/writting "The Sixth Sense". Okay, it took something like 4 years to write that film because he rewrote 12 times. All that effort obviously paid off.
If you really want to do it, great. Remember, though it will probably take 5 to 10 years for it to pay off. It is very hard work. Getting hot chicks is much easier.
Komodo
Master Don Juan
I guess what I'm asking should I really register with the director's guild now or wait till later.
You have to be sponsored by a member of the DGA to become a member. So if you have the connections already, definately do it. The only people who don't join are those whose careers are so big that it really does'nt matter (tarrentino) or work in independent cinema.
Now if you can get into the Asst Director's program that DGA sponsors, do it as well. It is slavery but you will meet a lot of people who will help your career. Although most people who do go through it don't become directors.
If you want to be a director, their are two options. The first is to go to one of the five major film schools. NYU, UCLA, USC, Columbia, and UT. Ideally, you should try for USC or UCLA. This requires a lot of money. Think about $150,000 for school, living expenses, and film expenses. This will get you to the point of having a decent short to show some people. If you are any good ( and trust me, while most people in Hollywood are idiots, they know talent when they see it), you will get some gigs doing comercials, music videos,industrials, etc.
The other way is simply to start developing and producing your own project yourself now. Once done, send it out to every film festival, every agent, every person slightly conected with the film industry. If you have any ability, it will be recognized. Maybe not imediatetly , but it will.
Both ways are a lot of work. While you get more respect by doing it yourself, it is a lot easier going through a school.
Film making is business. No matter what you have to view it from that angle. If you are in it for the art or the glamour, then I would recomend other avenues.
Now if you can get into the Asst Director's program that DGA sponsors, do it as well. It is slavery but you will meet a lot of people who will help your career. Although most people who do go through it don't become directors.
If you want to be a director, their are two options. The first is to go to one of the five major film schools. NYU, UCLA, USC, Columbia, and UT. Ideally, you should try for USC or UCLA. This requires a lot of money. Think about $150,000 for school, living expenses, and film expenses. This will get you to the point of having a decent short to show some people. If you are any good ( and trust me, while most people in Hollywood are idiots, they know talent when they see it), you will get some gigs doing comercials, music videos,industrials, etc.
The other way is simply to start developing and producing your own project yourself now. Once done, send it out to every film festival, every agent, every person slightly conected with the film industry. If you have any ability, it will be recognized. Maybe not imediatetly , but it will.
Both ways are a lot of work. While you get more respect by doing it yourself, it is a lot easier going through a school.
Film making is business. No matter what you have to view it from that angle. If you are in it for the art or the glamour, then I would recomend other avenues.
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They excell in movie making programs, and other artisy "stuff."
They have easy to use, yet professional software which has been used by many professionals in the field -- successfully.
They excell in movie making programs, and other artisy "stuff."
They have easy to use, yet professional software which has been used by many professionals in the field -- successfully.
Komodo
Master Don Juan
How about some acting tips?
Acting tips
It is hard to really give tips on acting besides just go out there and do it. It is one of those things where there is no way really to judge yourself objectively. The ability of an actor comes from his ability to impact those around him, not so much a mastery of certain skills. Learning technique is helpful in that it gives you a certain amount of control over your presenation, but it is not the end all be all. There are a lot of actors who are incredible that have no technique to speak of.
If you are wanting to become a professional (TV, Film, Stage) then it is best that you at least master your technique. There are certain expectation ( how to hit your mark, knowing where the beats are in a scene, using your voice effectively) that you have to meet at that level. Even the dumbest tool on TGIF can do all these things effectively.
Another thing to remember is that most of the sucessful actors have something which is completely unique to them and them alone. It can be in the way they look, or walk, or life experience. It make people remember them. They become someone special.
If you really want to do it, definately go for it. It is an incrediblely rewarding experience. It will also be probably the hardest thing you will ever do.
It is hard to really give tips on acting besides just go out there and do it. It is one of those things where there is no way really to judge yourself objectively. The ability of an actor comes from his ability to impact those around him, not so much a mastery of certain skills. Learning technique is helpful in that it gives you a certain amount of control over your presenation, but it is not the end all be all. There are a lot of actors who are incredible that have no technique to speak of.
If you are wanting to become a professional (TV, Film, Stage) then it is best that you at least master your technique. There are certain expectation ( how to hit your mark, knowing where the beats are in a scene, using your voice effectively) that you have to meet at that level. Even the dumbest tool on TGIF can do all these things effectively.
Another thing to remember is that most of the sucessful actors have something which is completely unique to them and them alone. It can be in the way they look, or walk, or life experience. It make people remember them. They become someone special.
If you really want to do it, definately go for it. It is an incrediblely rewarding experience. It will also be probably the hardest thing you will ever do.
Alpine
Master Don Juan
At risk of hijacking the thread and lowering the tone ....
This is an interesting thread, the other day I was googling for info on how to make porn films.
Pro porno Birds will do ANYTHING for £300 a day and a sandwhich.
The latest digicams are excellent, but even so investing in lights is a good move.
Venue, anywhere private and cheap.
Even I can do the script.
Anyone who has experiences and whether it's a good earner let us know.
This is an interesting thread, the other day I was googling for info on how to make porn films.
Pro porno Birds will do ANYTHING for £300 a day and a sandwhich.
The latest digicams are excellent, but even so investing in lights is a good move.
Venue, anywhere private and cheap.
Even I can do the script.
Anyone who has experiences and whether it's a good earner let us know.
Well...
If you really want to do porn, here's how.
First you need to contact a major distributor and see if they are accepting any outside product. Most likely, the big companies like Vivid won't, but since I'm not an expert in this area, I don't see why you shouldn’t try to at least send them a email.
If they are, and they like what you have made, they will make a flat offer for your product. Since you won't have any stars or real production values for your first effort, they will lowball you. You should probably expect somewhere around $3 to $5k for your first effort. As you developed contacts in the industry, that price will rise overtime. From what I know about independent video, It can go as high as 20K for a film.
Now, if you have a quality product, you can expect more, but that involves not only getting super hot girls but technical people who know what they are doing. Really hot girls usually ask from $2 to $10k a day with a per diem. This doesn’t include such things as makeup artists, personal assistants, PA's, and trailers. For your actually shooting crew, you need 5 people for a nice looking production, but you can get away with 2 if you know the right people. A good videographer with equipment will ask for about $500 to $2500 a day. You may have to rent some equipment but most likely not .
After actual production, comes post. This should actually be easy, since their really isn’t much editing on a typical porn. Video editing should probably be $35 to $150 an hour. You will probably need only 6 total. Then their is the cost of dumping your original tape to D2. Some distributor will cover this for you, but not all.
Now there are plenty of ways of getting around these costs, mainly finding a videographer who already has video editing suite ( and is willing to porn). He will probably take a flat payment somewhere under $5k to do all the technical stuff for you. How much under depends on the quality.
In my opinion, a cheap porn could probably be made for about $7k first starting out. Now one session can probably make like 3 movies, so if you are able to sell all three at $4k, you should be able to make a little bit of cash. That cost will probably come down as you make more. There are ways to make them for even less, but that usually involves a little creativity.
The great thing about Porn is that there is always a market for it and that they are relatively easy and quick to make. Total turnaround time for everything should be no more than two weeks, That is for thinking up the idea, getting the people to gether, shooting it, editing it, and then selling it. The problem is
it really isn’t a whole lot of money on the production side unless you get to move up to the bigger films. The big $$$ is made in the distribution end. Also I am told that unusual porn film s sell much better than regular. So stuff involving Dwarfs and old ladies will make you cash. Whether or not you want to be involved in that is up to you
If you really want to do porn, here's how.
First you need to contact a major distributor and see if they are accepting any outside product. Most likely, the big companies like Vivid won't, but since I'm not an expert in this area, I don't see why you shouldn’t try to at least send them a email.
If they are, and they like what you have made, they will make a flat offer for your product. Since you won't have any stars or real production values for your first effort, they will lowball you. You should probably expect somewhere around $3 to $5k for your first effort. As you developed contacts in the industry, that price will rise overtime. From what I know about independent video, It can go as high as 20K for a film.
Now, if you have a quality product, you can expect more, but that involves not only getting super hot girls but technical people who know what they are doing. Really hot girls usually ask from $2 to $10k a day with a per diem. This doesn’t include such things as makeup artists, personal assistants, PA's, and trailers. For your actually shooting crew, you need 5 people for a nice looking production, but you can get away with 2 if you know the right people. A good videographer with equipment will ask for about $500 to $2500 a day. You may have to rent some equipment but most likely not .
After actual production, comes post. This should actually be easy, since their really isn’t much editing on a typical porn. Video editing should probably be $35 to $150 an hour. You will probably need only 6 total. Then their is the cost of dumping your original tape to D2. Some distributor will cover this for you, but not all.
Now there are plenty of ways of getting around these costs, mainly finding a videographer who already has video editing suite ( and is willing to porn). He will probably take a flat payment somewhere under $5k to do all the technical stuff for you. How much under depends on the quality.
In my opinion, a cheap porn could probably be made for about $7k first starting out. Now one session can probably make like 3 movies, so if you are able to sell all three at $4k, you should be able to make a little bit of cash. That cost will probably come down as you make more. There are ways to make them for even less, but that usually involves a little creativity.
The great thing about Porn is that there is always a market for it and that they are relatively easy and quick to make. Total turnaround time for everything should be no more than two weeks, That is for thinking up the idea, getting the people to gether, shooting it, editing it, and then selling it. The problem is
it really isn’t a whole lot of money on the production side unless you get to move up to the bigger films. The big $$$ is made in the distribution end. Also I am told that unusual porn film s sell much better than regular. So stuff involving Dwarfs and old ladies will make you cash. Whether or not you want to be involved in that is up to you
Alpine
Master Don Juan
Some good information there thanks.
I was thinking of Gonzo/Ben Dover style stuff, but I take your point about niche markets being the way to go. Maybe I ought to do a poll on uncatered for perversions.
Some of the best films are classic 70's/ 80's, despite the hairy fannies. They were 'classy' if that's not too much of a contridiction.
I was thinking of Gonzo/Ben Dover style stuff, but I take your point about niche markets being the way to go. Maybe I ought to do a poll on uncatered for perversions.
Some of the best films are classic 70's/ 80's, despite the hairy fannies. They were 'classy' if that's not too much of a contridiction.
I want to know more about acting.. more specifically on how to make it in LA.. with all the people who move out there and look good how do you get noticed?
About porn.. how does the HIV/STD testing work.. do you get to choose the girls you work with at all? I've heard that girls get 100k a year and guys make 50k a year in porn,... anywhere close?
About porn.. how does the HIV/STD testing work.. do you get to choose the girls you work with at all? I've heard that girls get 100k a year and guys make 50k a year in porn,... anywhere close?
Alpine
Master Don Juan
You have to have a blood test every month for HIV.
Personally I think anyone who does porno must be very desperate, most producers don't want to see condoms and with anal being pretty standard nowadays you're playing russian roulette.
Also it's well known budding actors/actresses do it cos they are desperate for the money. However it totally fvcks up their chances of making it in Hollywood (like form 1:50, 1:100 and that's generous), and if they do, they spend their lives paraniod that it will effect their careers.
It's well known Ron Jeremy, probably the greatest ever male porn star has always been desperate to get into mainstream. He's even been in a few films and been cut out by the studios.
Personally I think anyone who does porno must be very desperate, most producers don't want to see condoms and with anal being pretty standard nowadays you're playing russian roulette.
Also it's well known budding actors/actresses do it cos they are desperate for the money. However it totally fvcks up their chances of making it in Hollywood (like form 1:50, 1:100 and that's generous), and if they do, they spend their lives paraniod that it will effect their careers.
It's well known Ron Jeremy, probably the greatest ever male porn star has always been desperate to get into mainstream. He's even been in a few films and been cut out by the studios.
Suddenly it isnt as glamorous as it once looked...
what about the girl picking.. studio sets it all up or do you have some say in what actress you want to work with?
Where the hell do they keep on finding girls for Cumfiesta and MILF hunter .. i know those arent real shows but who the **** are those girls.. porn stars that do 2 movies and are done?
what about the girl picking.. studio sets it all up or do you have some say in what actress you want to work with?
Where the hell do they keep on finding girls for Cumfiesta and MILF hunter .. i know those arent real shows but who the **** are those girls.. porn stars that do 2 movies and are done?
Centaurion
Master Don Juan
I have a hard time believing that it takes that much money to make a porn moive. All you need, basically, is a chick, a digi cam and a computer. Editing and all the other stuff, you can easily do yourself.
Yeah, you can do porn for even less. the $7k number is for 3 70 minute feature length porns with reasonanble attractive girls and decent production vales for comercial distribution. You also did'nt include the cost of aquiring that equipment and time to learn how ro use it properly. Sure you can probably make some really low end amature stuff for well under $1k, but that stuff is not that profitable unless you also own the means of distribution.
If you really want to make big $$$ doing that kinda stuff, own your own website and produce your own material. for it. if you had 10,000 subscribers at $5 a month, you would gross $600k a year. Probably half of that would be pure profit.
If you really want to make big $$$ doing that kinda stuff, own your own website and produce your own material. for it. if you had 10,000 subscribers at $5 a month, you would gross $600k a year. Probably half of that would be pure profit.
More acting Tips
Assuming you have a reasonable amount of talent, here is more of what you need to know
1. Get good head shots. Take as many as you can afford to show off everything you can do. get new ones every year or so.
2. Even if you are a good actor, constantly take acting classes. The reason is that many agents search through the classes to find new talent. Also, it is a good way to network.
3. Think of it as career, then plan long term. As you already know, acting is really tough. if you are 18, think about 10 to 15 years as a time frame to get your career started and going well.
4. Know other things besides acting. Not only will it help your acting ( more and diferent experiences to draw on), but there will be plenty of time you will need it to make $$$.
5. Be very determined but have a good attitude. It is the hardest business in world to break into. If you have the talent, work hard, and have a freat attitude, people will want to work with you. It really is all about relationships the business.
PM me if you want more specific info. There is a lot to know
Assuming you have a reasonable amount of talent, here is more of what you need to know
1. Get good head shots. Take as many as you can afford to show off everything you can do. get new ones every year or so.
2. Even if you are a good actor, constantly take acting classes. The reason is that many agents search through the classes to find new talent. Also, it is a good way to network.
3. Think of it as career, then plan long term. As you already know, acting is really tough. if you are 18, think about 10 to 15 years as a time frame to get your career started and going well.
4. Know other things besides acting. Not only will it help your acting ( more and diferent experiences to draw on), but there will be plenty of time you will need it to make $$$.
5. Be very determined but have a good attitude. It is the hardest business in world to break into. If you have the talent, work hard, and have a freat attitude, people will want to work with you. It really is all about relationships the business.
PM me if you want more specific info. There is a lot to know
Alpine
Master Don Juan
I had a friend who made a Sci Fi. He even got one of the Dr Who's to be the lead and a few other RADA types.
I saw it and to be honest it was really bad. He spent alot of money on it, but at least it was an experience and he got it out of his system.
I don't know for sure but think he broke even in the end with web based orders all over the world.
I fancy making a few short arty type films for channel 4 or something, throw in some sex and violence and channel 5 will have it if all else fails.
I like the fact technology is cheap enough to do stuff in your back bedroom now, I guess like where music production was only a few years ago.
What's the best XP based editing s/w other than Microsoft's effort?
I saw it and to be honest it was really bad. He spent alot of money on it, but at least it was an experience and he got it out of his system.
I don't know for sure but think he broke even in the end with web based orders all over the world.
I fancy making a few short arty type films for channel 4 or something, throw in some sex and violence and channel 5 will have it if all else fails.
I like the fact technology is cheap enough to do stuff in your back bedroom now, I guess like where music production was only a few years ago.
What's the best XP based editing s/w other than Microsoft's effort?
il_duce
Master Don Juan
Adobe Premiere would be your best bet on a PC for video editing. Although it has a high learning curve, you can still do some pretty quality things with it. But if you really want the good stuff, get a Mac and use Final Cut Pro.
