Most of the "advice" on this site is crap, and here's why

[Mr_knowit_all]

I'm not saying everything on this site is nonsense, but I think there should be some sort of primer to help new members understand the context of what's being said.

For a long time, I've had problems with a lot of the advice offered on these forums. Most of it just isn't practical for most guys, and the advice that is good is not explained well enough. Here are some examples:

"Cold Approaches"- I guess I have the most problem with this particular tactic. It's a well known fact that 99.9 percent of cold approaches don't work. Think about it, you're a female minding her own business, and some guy comes up to you and asks for your phone number. One can only assume that only very desperate women would hand their number out to a complete stranger.

My advice- It's fine to ask women out, but you'll be more successful if you do it in a situation where you can at least build some rapport first. This could be study groups at college, just saying "hi" first in the hall, or starting small talk a few times before you jump at her asking for a number. You have to understand that in today's society, women are more cautious(and with good reason). You can still ask women out, but do it in a venue that's more comfortable for both of you and your success rate will sky rocket.

"Kino"- This is another one of those aggressive tactics touted on this site that I don't like. Why do some of you think that touching a woman you hardly know is going to make her attracted to you? I know this is supposed to be subtle, but come on, most women are going to get creeped out by a guy trying this.

My solution- Try to exert your masculinity by non-physical means at first. Eye contact, body language etc...... I think the non-physical approach conveys the same sentiment without making her as uncomfortable.


"**** and Funny"---Now this I actually agree with. I think being C&F is a very common occurrence among men and women, and is most often successful. The only caveat I can think of, is if the woman doesn't have high self esteem, busting on her too much might have the opposite affect.

I think I've spelled out some of the things I think are wrong with the advice on this site. Perhaps a few modifications that I've mentioned above will help those in their pursuit for romance.

 

[Bvbidd]

A lot of the stuff on this site is bullsh!t.. but you obviously don't have a good grasp on chicks.. I mean they are just like us.. there is no reason why they wouldn't like giving out a number or being touched by a guy they find a attractive just like you would.

I've seen it happen, and I've talked the girls after it's happend, your giving them WAY to much credit as some mystical race or something.. they want it too man. If they want it, the more aggressive the better.

BTW - Don't even both trying to be romanitic either, they pick up on the smallest things and tell themselves it's romantic if they like you.

I'm no expert, but this is straight from the girls man.

 

[Mr_knowit_all]

A lot of the stuff on this site is bullsh!t.. but you obviously don't have a good grasp on chicks.. I mean they are just like us.. there is no reason why they wouldn't like giving out a number or being touched by a guy they find a attractive just like you would.

I've seen it happen, and I've talked the girls after it's happend, your giving them WAY to much credit as some mystical race or something.. they want it too man.

BTW - Don't even both trying to be romanitic either, they pick up on the smallest things and tell themselves it's romantic if they like you.

I'm no expert, but this is straight from the girls man.

I don't think you're right. Women do want sex just like us, but they're not EXACTLY like us. Nobody's trying to make women out to be some "mystic" race, but they do things differently. A man giving his number out to a strange woman is probably no big deal, a woman has safety issues with doing that even if she is attracted to the guy.

Secondly, women probably do want an attractive guy to touch them, but most women won't appreciate a guy doing that right off the bat. Women have to play these little "anti-slut" games. Even if they're extremely attracted to the guy, they'll act like they don't want it. I've also seen instances where an attractive guy was rebuffed, simply for being too foreward.

So keep telling yourself they're exactly like us. The reality is they're not, and it's you who might not be grasping the situation.

 

[blinkwatt]

"Cold Approaches"- I guess I have the most problem with this particular tactic. It's a well known fact that 99.9 percent of cold approaches don't work. Think about it, you're a female minding her own business, and some guy comes up to you and asks for your phone number. One can only assume that only very desperate women would hand their number out to a complete stranger.

Imagine this~
You are out shopping,minding your own business with no agenda to pick up women. Now while you are browsing threough the clothes this attrative women happens to approach you and hit on you.....Do you stop her? When she ask you for your number,do you reject her?

Think about it,these women dress up nice and put on make-up because they know other people see them and they want to leave windows of oppurtunity open.

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

Yeah, cold approaches DO work, if and only if, there is mutual attraction and she is available or willing to cheat on her BF. simple as that.

Women are far more similar to us than they are different. Like us, they like sex. Like us, they are visual, they like good looking men, and like to look at a built guy's curves. Like us, they do things to increase their chance of meeting a good sex partner, for them, this involves making themselves up, wearing sexy clothes, looking hot. Like us, they get turned on watching hardcore porn, even if they say they dont like porn (anti-slut move). THeres so many traits that men have, that women have also. THis site has lied by making women out to be so different. THey do have some differences, ie their idea of good sex isnt neccesarily the same as a man's.

Kino does work, if and only if, there is mutual attraction.

 

[wrender]

THis site has lied by making women out to be so different.

I don't agree that women are just like guys in those respects. Sure they are visual to a degree, and they might not mind watching porno with a guy. However, I don't think they react to these things the same way a guy does. How many women do you know of that sit around almost every day and masturbate to porn movies or naked pictures of men? It just doesn't happen like that like it does for us guys. Sure they masturbate but usually not as often and mostly using their imaginations. So they may be "like us", but they definately aren't "just like us" when it comes to these things.

 

[Sean O]

"Cold Approaches"- I guess I have the most problem with this particular tactic. It's a well known fact that 99.9 percent of cold approaches don't work. Think about it, you're a female minding her own business, and some guy comes up to you and asks for your phone number. One can only assume that only very desperate women would hand their number out to a complete stranger.

Uhh... if that's all the guy does, that's not a proper cold approach, man. The term only means that you approach without any IOIs from the chick. Otherwise, it's not that much different from any other situation. Once you're past the opener, all you have to do is chat it up for a little while in order to built rapport and to allow her a chance to feel a connection. Once you've done that, you can ask for her number with a reasonable chance of her giving it to you.

"Kino"- This is another one of those aggressive tactics touted on this site that I don't like. Why do some of you think that touching a woman you hardly know is going to make her attracted to you? I know this is supposed to be subtle, but come on, most women are going to get creeped out by a guy trying this.

The point of kino isn't to build attraction (although it can do that sometimes), but rather to help to establish a connection and to make her more comfortable with you. I kino girls all the time and I can honestly say that it works incredibly well. The reason it works for me is that when I do it, it's not contrived, i.e. it just happens without me thinking of it. If someone "tries" to kino a girl, she'll sense that it's forced, and THEN it will creep her out. Otherwise, unless she's cold as ice (and therefore not worth your time anyway), she'll be cool with it, and will probably enjoy it.

"**** and Funny"---Now this I actually agree with. I think being C&F is a very common occurrence among men and women, and is most often successful. The only caveat I can think of, is if the woman doesn't have high self esteem, busting on her too much might have the opposite affect.

Yeah, C+F works well... but once again, it will only work well if it comes out naturally and is NOT contrived. As far as the busting on her too much thing, you're referring to neg-hits. They are only useful if the girl thinks her social value is higher than or equal to your own. If she sees you as being higher value already, neg-hits will push her away from you.

 

[Doggystyle]

I don't agree that women are just like guys in those respects. Sure they are visual to a degree, and they might not mind watching porno with a guy. However, I don't think they react to these things the same way a guy does. How many women do you know of that sit around almost every day and masturbate to porn movies or naked pictures of men? It just doesn't happen like that like it does for us guys. Sure they masturbate but usually not as often and mostly using their imaginations. So they may be "like us", but they definately aren't "just like us" when it comes to these things.

Women react the same way men do, i wish guys would get this **** out there head!

"How many women do you know of that sit around almost every day and masturbate to porn movies or naked pictures of men?"

I don't know many men that do this either...this is just you! Nut case!

p.s. Fag!

 

[backbreaker]

instead of taking women theory 101, why not listen to the guys here who have bettered themselves and get ass on a constant basis?

you know what that tells me about people like you? you are lazy bums. You are the type of person that will break down each and every technique and analize if it works or not and why, but won't take the time to learn a new hobby or learn some history, or workout.

It all comes down to bettering yourself. it's really that damn simple. I am not ugly, never was, but I am in shape whearas when I found this site I wasn't. I am well off whereas when I found this site I wasn't. I consider myself to be intelligent, and I know how to treat women, and most of all I enjoy life, I really do.

who wouldn't want to be with me?

What you say and how you say it are only part of the equation.. it also matters on who is saying it and what that person is about.

I will personally give 1,000 bucks to anyone here who takes 4-5 months out of their life, works out, does all the things you need to do to work on bettering yourself, and they don't see a VAST improvement in what goes on.

Instead of taking the theory on women, why not learn from the people here who have succeed and work on yourself.

IN this entire site, there might be 100-200 posts worth actually learning something from, Imean, I read alot of A-Unit's stuff still simply because he talks about alot of things that interest me still, and I always look for new ****, but i am at the point of deminishing returns as far as knowledge.

anyway, get out in the damn world and better yourself.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

I'm not saying everything on this site is nonsense, but I think there should be some sort of primer to help new members understand the context of what's being said...

Does anyone read the DJB anymore?

 

[Analytic]

"Cold Approaches"- I guess I have the most problem with this particular tactic. It's a well known fact that 99.9 percent of cold approaches don't work. Think about it, you're a female minding her own business, and some guy comes up to you and asks for your phone number. One can only assume that only very desperate women would hand their number out to a complete stranger.

Its KJ like you thats made this site crap. Did you pull that number out your ass or something? There is so many Ironic thing with your thread. Your thread title is about the advice on this site is crap yet you give crappy statement which seems like complete theory KJ crap. You're name is "Mr_knowit_all" yet you don't know what you're talking about.

I don't usually make such negative post about other people but this thread really anoys me.

 

[wrender]

"How many women do you know of that sit around almost every day and masturbate to porn movies or naked pictures of men?"

I don't know many men that do this either...this is just you! Nut case!

Obviously you need to be spoon fed. So open wide, I got somethin' else to shove down there while I'm at it.

As most heterosexual males go through puberty, they look at things like porn mags or whatever the hell else they can get a hold of that contains female nudity and they get off on it. Girls on the other hand collect Teen Beat magazine and dream or fantasize about kissing, making out, screwing, etc whoever's on the cover. This carries into adulthood too. I know women that masturbate, and they don't use visual aid. Alot of men do. Why do sperm banks have "reading material" for the donor? Why do you think 99% of strip clubs have women dancers? Why is your name "Doggystyle"? Oh... now I get it.

p.s. Fag!

So to summarize for you.... just because you get turned on looking at Playgirl, that doesn't mean most women do.

 

[tuxen]

This post is retarded. I can't figure out which one is more retarded, the post content, or the post creator.

 

[KillaCam]

Does anyone read the DJB anymore?

I wonder that sometimes.

 

[GloriouslyInsane]

I think the advice is not to be blamed,but the way people interpet them.For instance the thread starter.

Think about it, you're a female minding her own business, and some guy comes up to you and asks for your phone number

Now,for me the term "cold approaching" means "meeting women" as in not though family/friends/co-workers/twists of fate but because it was my goal.I don't think it has anything to do with getting a phone number,or closing,or insta-date or anything,just saying hi and exchanging names is the end of the "approach",anything after that is "seduction".

Now for kino...well it is true that todays society is wired in a way to avoid any physical contact what-so-ever.This does not mean it should be like that,i believe you're thinking about "fondling",kino is a whole different ball game.The KEY to kino is that you should not "try" to do it,think about it,program it or analyze the moment.Do these and a tap on the shoulder is sexual harassment.Vibe,be relaxed,radiate energy and a butt-smack is laugh inducing.

 

[Dark_horse]

Mr Knowitall-

Your name suites you. I have been doing cold approaches since April and it is actually very easy to get a girls phone number. The problem is to get them to answer!! :crackup: Sometimes is you show your going to keep it up by calling every once in a while they will budge. Sometimes the conversation was genuinely good and she felt good talking to you and she will answer no problem. Women go to the bathrooms to have sex with guys they just met. They are not non-sexual creatures. You have a limited understanding of women. The only way that lightly touching at peak moments or times that makes sense is creepy is if you HAVEN'T been doing it. In other words if your first impression is that of a guy who does not touch someone and keeps in his own personal space the whole time and suddenly you touch her...that is desperate and creepy...unless of course she is coming on to you!! Clearly your thoughts come from lack of experience and not KNOWING it all. Try actually doing the things that are suggested and leave your limited thoughts behind, then come back and give us an update.

 

[Call_Me_Daddy]

Does anyone read the DJB anymore?

WHAT?!

BLASPHEMY!!

There is only one true BIBLE. WIITCH!! BURN him at the STEAAAK!!!

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

..I don't usually make such negative post about other people but this thread really anoys me.

Damn, and people say that I'm surly... It's understood though. I feel a rant coming on myself... :woo:

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

WHAT?!

BLASPHEMY!!

There is only one true BIBLE. WIITCH!! BURN him at the STEAAAK!!!

:cuss: EVERYONE SHOULD READ THE DJ (DON JOHNSON) BIBLE!!! IT WILL TEACH YOU HOW TO DRIVE COOL CARS, WEAR SHOES WITHOUT SOCKS AND SUITS IN MANY PASTEL COLORS! :cuss:

 

[Bvbidd]

If you get into the other side, they are just like us.. you got to get with the current times.. they masturbate, talk about sex (WAY more than guys), etc.. the only difference is they HAVE more sex than guys while at the same time trying to maintain a non-slutty persona. That's your average girl right there. After awhile, the average girl does get A LOT of guys chasing after her and she's not going to have sex with em all. Some guys are more aggressive and go after it more as well as have more popular personalities, therefore those guys fvck more. lol not many of these guys are actually on this site though some are. (This is what kino, cold approaching, and C&F is supposed to repersent.) These guys are doing things you wouldn't belive man because they're not afraid of being creepy.. (of course if they didn't have the social value to back it up it WOULD be creepy) but otherwise they can do whatever and girls will just feed off their frame of mind.

And aren't you one of those muscle posters? Yeah your not getting any numbers looking like that. I've seen other guys get numbers all the time though.

Think of a guy as if he could get sex 10 times as easier as he could now. That's a chick's mind. You'd be a little more picky.. you'd still like sex.