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She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Monkey Branching:
When a girl already has a boyfriend but she gives her number to guys that she meets and flirts as if she were single. She's basically branching off from her boyfriend and establishing backups.

It seems like the girl never loved the old branch to begin with but most of them do this now. It's selfish and pathetic.


It is one of the most biggest disrespectful things a women can do to anyone. Why is this so acceptable in today's society?
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Monkey Branching:
When a girl already has a boyfriend but she gives her number to guys that she meets and flirts as if she were single. She's basically branching off from her boyfriend and establishing backups.

It seems like the girl never loved the old branch to begin with but most of them do this now. It's selfish and pathetic.


It is one of the most biggest disrespectful things a women can do to anyone. Why is this so acceptable in today's society?
I wish I had a good answer to this. It is definitely one of the most atrocious things I've ever had happen to me and also what I've read online about it happening to other guys. To have a woman who you were sure you had a connection with drop you like dirt for someone else. I guess I would like to believe that women value comfort, familiarity and growth in a relationship; that they also truly enjoy building something with someone and bonding with a man but for the life of me I cannot ignore what I've seen in the field and the stories I've read about here on SS and across the rest of the manosphere.

It truly does seem that women are incapable of loyalty or integrity long term when they are faced with as many options as they have today. It's so hard not to think of them as almost inhuman in regards to what they are capable of in this regard but how can we ignore the evidence that we have in front of us with women behaving the way they do? For myself personally I would take a relationship with someone I truly care about and love ANY DAY OF THE WEEK over a Fwb situation or one night stands with porn star hot women. I simply cannot understand for the life of me why women don't also want that. But again, I cannot ignore what I've experienced first hand and read about on these forums.

So we've got to move forward and face reality that woman are capable of truly horrendous acts of betrayal and deceit if given the right circumstances. To answer your question, I do not understand how they can live with themselves, but the fact of that matter is that they do and the way our society is currently set up, they have all the freedom in the world to do it. As a man you have to protect yourself and be brave enough to face this reality head on. It's OK to meet, date, f*ck and get in relationships with women but never forget what they are and what they can do. You've got to be willing to build your life up around this simple understanding in order to have the best life possible for yourself.
 

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I do have my own Monkey Branching theory weather right or wrong. See what you think..

Women are governed by their body clocks. Women are not designed to sloot it up through their teens and twenties before grabbing Mr Provider out of panic when she hits 30 in order to settle down and raise a family.

Women are by design, not supposed to be alone as this is just wasted time in terms of how long she has left to raise her own brood.

Since the dawn of Man, women have been designed to have children when she reaches child bearing age. Nature dictates this is when she hits 13/14 (remember people only lives until their 40's on a few hundred years ago). Putting that into perspective, by the time a woman hit 20 she would have had 3 or 4 kids and spent her time raising them at home while Husband worked his days on the farm (pre industrial revelution).

What we then had was this new wave Feminism which stated that Women are to be seen equal to Men. No longer did a Woman have to stay at home to raise her brood. Now she can have a career, travel the world and nobody will shame her for not settling until her body clock screams "You need to have a baby" (insert Panic mode).

Even though this is the path many women are now taking, you can not trick nature or out play it. No matter what society dictates!

Women have looked at Men for a milennia as a Provider however now have made it a priority to show the world just how they don't need a Man (Enter the 'You go Girl' Squad).

Women always have and always will need Men. Unless they can develop a way to get pregnant without one then this shall remain the case.

Men on the other hand ate not governed by a body clock. We can roam the Earth as a loan Wolf should we wish and then choose to settle at 40+. Women do not have this option.

For a Woman to be alone is wasted time as time is a precious comodity to them. Men can be single.. Women generally can't (Unless she wants to become a crazy Cat Lady).

This is why a Woman will always be looking over your shoulder for a 'better' replacement and this is why Women Monkey Branch.

Because time is a Precious comodity..
 

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Also I work in Sales.

If you sell to a client based on price then you will lose that same client a year later on price too.

This is why you should never get into a relationship based on what you can provide as she will monkey branch in the future based on what you can't provide.
 

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Monkey Branching:
When a girl already has a boyfriend but she gives her number to guys that she meets and flirts as if she were single. She's basically branching off from her boyfriend and establishing backups.

It seems like the girl never loved the old branch to begin with but most of them do this now. It's selfish and pathetic.


It is one of the most biggest disrespectful things a women can do to anyone. Why is this so acceptable in today's society?
As long as there are guys willing to date this bad behaviour they will never change.

As I've stated many times. If guys stop accepting this type of garbage then it will force women to change.

Can you imagine how this would kill the arrogance in a woman who thinks she can just swing from.guy to guy when she gets bored, when suddenly all guys stop accepting this.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Monkey Branching:
When a girl already has a boyfriend but she gives her number to guys that she meets and flirts as if she were single. She's basically branching off from her boyfriend and establishing backups.

It seems like the girl never loved the old branch to begin with but most of them do this now. It's selfish and pathetic.


It is one of the most biggest disrespectful things a women can do to anyone. Why is this so acceptable in today's society?
There was this one married woman that would come to our Meetup events. Most of our Meetups consist of 90% single/unattached people as married people are usually off doing their own thing with their kids.

This one woman, pretty hot 40 year old, was the only married woman that came by her lonesome to each and every event. Turns out her husband works Friday and Saturday nights...so that's why she can't join him, but still...there's something strange about being the only marired woman among singles.

She would even hang out with all her single lady friends at night clubs...she was the designate driver. So I knew she was sniffin' around.

I asked her, "So...when the single men in the group find out you're married...do they have a disappointed look on their face? lol" She kind of laughed it off..but you know.

She even flirted with me by putting her arm around me and chatting me up...was kind of uncomfortable.

One day, I spotted her on POF...then I go to my friends list to look her up, but she unfriended me....I looked her up, she changed her last name in her profile.

I figured, "Yeah, I called it, I knew she was shopping around and was in a downward spiral of a marriage"...

I can usually call these things.
 

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I was wondering, it seems women are moreso guilty of this than men? I'm sure some women will chime in and say, "Yeah...well..men do it too!!"
 

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As long as there are guys willing to date this bad behaviour they will never change.

As I've stated many times. If guys stop accepting this type of garbage then it will force women to change.

Can you imagine how this would kill the arrogance in a woman who thinks she can just swing from.guy to guy when she gets bored, when suddenly all guys stop accepting this.
That is what guys like us on here are trying to change. Unfortunately there will always be enablers to this kind of behaviour ie Captain save a Hoe's etc.
Then you get the guys who will stick their dik in anything. We are a very long way from seeing an absence in low quality Women.

You can choose the game but you can't choose the rules!!
 

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Because, our society, is a great wh0re.
 

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IMO females who monkey branch are females who lack self esteem.
 

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Let's stop analyzing women's behavior. Women monkey branch because they have low interest level. Women leave their men emotionally before they actually dump them.

Learn how to stop lowering her interest level and you won't have this problem. When she's entertaining other dudes, it is already too late.
 

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Learn how to stop lowering her interest level and you won't have this problem.
There's nothing to learn except to move on to someone who doesn't bore easily. It's a personality flaw that's an obvious dealbreaker. It's as plain as that, so why attempt to "stop lowering her interest level" when the onus is on her as a flaw and not on the man to keep her entertained like a circus monkey.

I also don't associate with such people.
 

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There's nothing to learn except to move on to someone who doesn't bore easily. It's a personality flaw that's an obvious dealbreaker. It's as plain as that, so why attempt to "stop lowering her interest level" when the onus is on her as a flaw and not on the man to keep her entertained like a circus monkey.

I also don't associate with such people.
AMEN.

There is a big distinction between 'not lowering her interest level' and dealing with instant gratification attention wh0res who are putting on an act until they get bored or get what they want.
 
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Let's stop analyzing women's behavior. Women monkey branch because they have low interest level. Women leave their men emotionally before they actually dump them.

Learn how to stop lowering her interest level and you won't have this problem. When she's entertaining other dudes, it is already too late.
When she has a personality that makes her impulsive there is nothing you can do to keep her loyal. What are you gonna do? Chain her to the Kitchen sink?

There is a difference between why a Woman would Monkey branch depending on her body clock function and why She would monkey branch if she had a screwed up personality from when Daddy Abandoned her.
 

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AMEN.

There is a big distinction between 'not lowering her interest level' and dealing with instant gratification attention wh0res who are putting on an act until they get bored or get what they want.
Right, there are some sites these PUA followers follow like the Bible..if google "Interest level women" you'll see tons of PUA articles on these so-called "techniques" in keeping a woman interested...even after you've landed her.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Right, there are some sites these PUA followers follow like the Bible..if google "Interest level women" you'll see tons of PUA articles on these so-called "techniques" in keeping a woman interested...even after you've landed her.
Yup. Once you've landed her comfort is far more important that being 'alpha'. Don't get me wrong, you must still be a man and hold the frame, but one of this biggest signs of a crazy woman is the sudden onset of bizarre behavior once the comfort stage is reached in the relationship. It is literally an overnight thing that is devastating.
 

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There's nothing to learn except to move on to someone who doesn't bore easily. It's a personality flaw that's an obvious dealbreaker. It's as plain as that, so why attempt to "stop lowering her interest level" when the onus is on her as a flaw and not on the man to keep her entertained like a circus monkey.

I also don't associate with such people.
The onus is not on her. The onus is on you. Stop blaming others for your failure to prequalify. You shouldn't be entertaining low class trashbag women anyway. However, most women are not trashbags. Men simply don't know how to keep her interested past a few dates.

Right, there are some sites these PUA followers follow like the Bible..if google "Interest level women" you'll see tons of PUA articles on these so-called "techniques" in keeping a woman interested...even after you've landed her.
Have fun getting divorced. Keeping the woman is the name of the game. That's why half the manosphere can get some skins and still have her leave them or monkey branch. Learn how to stop lowering her interest level.

Yup. Once you've landed her comfort is far more important that being 'alpha'. Don't get me wrong, you must still be a man and hold the frame, but one of this biggest signs of a crazy woman is the sudden onset of bizarre behavior once the comfort stage is reached in the relationship. It is literally an overnight thing that is devastating.
Comfort comes from trust, which comes from her believing in your male strength qualities. It's not about being "alpha" or "beta." You should not be dealing with a crazy woman ever. Weed them out. Prequalification.


When she has a personality that makes her impulsive there is nothing you can do to keep her loyal. What are you gonna do? Chain her to the Kitchen sink?
Wrong. Most women are not screwed up. Women don't lie... men don't listen.

There is a difference between why a Woman would Monkey branch depending on her body clock function and why She would monkey branch if she had a screwed up personality from when Daddy Abandoned her.
No, there's not. Women monkey branch because they have low interest level. That's it. There's nothing else. A woman in love will not leave. She can't. She's in love! That would be a contradiction.
 

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Comfort comes from trust, which comes from her believing in your male strength qualities. It's not about being "alpha" or "beta." You should not be dealing with a crazy woman ever. Weed them out. Prequalification.
No argument on my end whatsoever. I do need to get better at that.
 

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The onus is not on her. The onus is on you. Stop blaming others for your failure to prequalify. You shouldn't be entertaining low class trashbag women anyway. However, most women are not trashbags. Men simply don't know how to keep her interested past a few dates.
It's not a failure at all, not sure where you're getting that idea. I'm referring to the nature of women who bore easily, a woman like this can never be satisfied. No man will ever be good enough to some of these women. Women need to learn to understand that interest levels will not always be consistently on the up-and-up. It is unrealistic.

Of course, they were likely spoiled in their upbringing, ie - their parents bought them a car for their sweet 16.

Have fun getting divorced. Keeping the woman is the name of the game.
Majority of the women initiate divorces, because they'll never be happy and always find reason to say 'We just grew apart".

I knew of this guy, married to his wife for 20 years, his friends considered him pretty good to his wife. Was completely loyal, romantic, etc. Then he comes up to packed bags and she's outta there because she's too weak-willed to keep the marriage together.

Grass is always greener syndrome.

This has nothing to do with putting the blame on the man. Notice there's no "onus on the woman" not even 50/50 if that's the case...because I know that I've heard some advice experts say, "Never stop dating your wife." Like still continue with date night, but still....they always still wind up leaving.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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