MODS...can the content on this site be further modified?

[L777]

The reason I say this is due to the recent spate of "Game doesn't matter...its all about genetics" advice that seems to be prolific on this site at the moment.

I think that this, and all other limiting advice shouldn't be allowed on this site and here's why: For a new guy just coming to this site, if the first thing he reads is "Game doesn't work and if you're not very very good-looking give up and go for ugly girls" then thats the philosophy he will begin to believe.

If this was a website that dealt with tactics on beating the latest Playstation game then I wouldn't bother....but its not. Its a website that changes the way peple live their entire lives. I, for one, can personally say that this site, and this site alone allowed me to change the way I live for the better...which I'm thankful for...but it has the power to instill self-limiting beliefs and bad practices into impressionable men....particularly adolescents.

I propose stricter regulartion on bad advice, self limiting posts, unconstructive "looks" threads, height threads, boast posts etc....just use your judgement.

I have heard it said that souave.com has become a joke site, and that many of the best guys out there have left because of this sort of thing. Lets change that and get the site back on track....get the more experienced posters posting good stuff on here and just generally get back to 'the good old days'.

I don't really post advice because I am only 20 and would only consider myself decent (as opposed to great) with women....I really like this site and will always post here as it was the first seduction website I came to, and hope to become one of the Pooks, or the Fingers, or one of the other great posters in the years to come.

I know a lot of ppl will say 'just ignore those type of posts'...but just because someone doesn't reply to a thread doesn't mean they don't read it and believe it, and become negatively affected by it. Guys come here to improve, not limit themselves.

OK thats all....what does everyones else think?

 

[CrunchyNut]

Great post.

 

[iqqi]

That is why it is important for you to speak up when you see dumb sh!t posted. If every dumb thing posted is disputed, a reader can see the argument, and decide for himself what is right.

you can't rely on the mods. One of them spouts of nonsense gene crap all the time, and is heralded!

 

[NSUballer]

A man with with good looks and average game will do better with women than an average looking guy with awesome game any day of the week. I

It is a fact that attractive people gravitate towards other attractive people. No one can dispute that. It is human nature. Im sorry that some guys want to get with very attractive women but cant because the girl wont give them a chance because theyre not attractive enough. Its just the way of the world.

In any interaction between men and women, initial attraction is solely physical. How can you be attracted to someone whom youve never spoken with?

Game is important to any man. Without it youre not gonna do well with women. On the other hand, physical attractiveness alone can get you into any womens world. Just ask that guy who slept with 13 women in one week.

 

[NSUballer]

I don't really post advice because I am only 20

so youre a liar then...

 

[iqqi]

A man with with good looks and average game will do better with women than an average looking guy with awesome game any day of the week. I

It is a fact that attractive people gravitate towards other attractive people. No one can dispute that. It is human nature. Im sorry that some guys want to get with very attractive women but cant because the girl wont give them a chance because theyre not attractive enough. Its just the way of the world.

In any interaction between men and women, initial attraction is solely physical. How can you be attracted to someone whom youve never spoken with?

Game is important to any man. Without it youre not gonna do well with women. On the other hand, physical attractiveness alone can get you into any womens world. Just ask that guy who slept with 13 women in one week.

Dude. For one, I don't think you are good looking.

And YOU think you are extremely good looking.

THAT right there should tell you that people have "different tastes", so to say that someone can't get a girl if he isn't good looking... is pretty silly. If that was true, I'd have a hard ass time believing you could get girls. YOU, as in NSUBaller.

That is just one example.

Another one would be how my girl, who is BEAUTIFUL, will NOT date and is NOT attracted to "pretty boys". I swear to goD she is attracted to the ugliest mofo's alive. How do you explain this.

Then there is the guy who reeks of sexuality. His sexuality and charm make him stand out over Brad Pitt any day. On closer inspection a woman may realize he... isn't even that cute! (insert gasp). This guy gets more as$ any day of the week than the hot guy with average game. Trust me.

"Looks" are not what matters, sosuavers.

 

[The Deacon]

Ugh. We keep on beating this dead horse. The better you look, the easier it is. That's all. Let's not overcomplicate this concept for pete's sake.

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Events/4919/KevinJames_Grani_9031011_400.jpg

Is Kevin James a looker? Cmon now. I hate to say this, but Mystery is right when he says women are much more likely to respond to social value than looks. There's an obvious link with looks and social value, but Kevin James is NOT GOOD-LOOKING. So, the whole "if you don't look good no hot girl will go for you thing" is DUMB.

Yes, trophy wives f*ck poolboys. Yes, girls will spread their legs if Brad Pitt comes up and says "hi" to them. No, hot girls will not settle for a pretty boy who's a complete wussy.

 

[NSUballer]

Well no one on this site knows what i look like and never will. And I never said if youre not good looking you cant attract a woman. Because I know that in a real relationship looks is not what really matters. the only time looks really matter is with the INITIAL ATTRACTION. And I thought iqqi was a woman?

 

[potato]

OK thats all....what does everyones else think?

I think that you’ve come to the realization that you can’t get everyone to see things your way so your solution is to just prevent anyone from posting anything that doesn’t fit into your neat little narrow minded point of view.

 

[AFC Savior]

if the mods were getting paid, they'd care........but they dont, and they dont

 

[iqqi]

i'll say it a final time, I KNOW looks are irrelevant. I'm a decent looking guy (believe me/don't believe me, fine, whatever) and have been out-gamed by worse looking wingman who had their sh!t together, were more confident, and smoother than me.

Looks ARE irrelevant, especially since people find different things attractive. Just last night I saw this extremely handsome man from across the room. He came over and tried to get with my girl, who thought he was totally lame, and she was miserable because he wouldn't leave. His game was whack! That TRUMPED his looks.

Meanwhile her best friend is there with her man. Her best friend is GORGEOUS GORGEOUS GORGEOUS. Her man has to be one of the most unattractive men i've ever seen. But he is the life of the party. They have been together for awhile. Go figure.

Now I'm not sure if censorship is the way to go, but something needs to be done about the sh!t going on here.

Just keep speaking up.

 

[iqqi]

Well no one on this site knows what i look like and never will.

I thought you posted a pic awhile back. Maybe that was some other sosuaver who says he is extremely good looking. ?

My point still stands, however if that wasn't your pic, it is no longer personal for you.

 

[Gangster Of Love]

Never fails, some a$shole figures out a way to turn a thread into yet another "Looks" discussion. Not talking about this thread in particular, but about all the threads that are or become disguissed "Looks" threads.

 

[Obsidian]

I'm with L777 on this one. Looks threads are supposed to be banned. Unfortunately, the damn mods won't enforce their own rules.

 

[Gangster Of Love]

The irony is that a complain about mod involvement, specially on looks, became a bonifide looks thread. What do we have here, Mahon Jr. reincarnated?

 

[bukowski_merit]

i agree with the op...

i consider myself slightly better than average looking... and i came to this site about 6 years ago (under a different name that i have forgotten.) at the time i had had sex with 2 women; had been friended three straight times by women i was trying to lay, and was just feeling like it was impossible for a 'nice' guy like me to get an attractive women.

looked up seduction... found some of david deangelo's books - bought some (this was before torrents gave out mass seduction ebooks for free), found this site - read the bible (when it was only in html format), came on these boards - got some stern talk... spent about 6 months here, then set out on my own and feel that i can game just about any girl now.

i used to think i was below average looking, that i could only 'friend' a girl into liking me (lol), and this site really helped me out of that mentality.

if i came to this site and saw all these post about how you have to be attractive to get the women i want - i probably wouldn't have became who i've become. because it's VERY easy to use that as an excuse and give up... it's very easy to say 'the reason i'm failing is because i'm ugly'... it's very easy to give up if you don't realize that it's more about other intangibles...


and the most attractive women i've ever seen in my life was married to a guy who looked like mister belvedere (who was 15 years older than her and wasn't rich). and she expressed with everyone that she was in love with him the minute she saw him and couldn't take her eyes off him.

 

[potato]

Religions like to prevent other points of view from being heard. It is because they know that their point of view can only prevail if there is no one there to point out its flaws and logical inconsistencies. If at the end of every religious service people with opposing points of view were allowed to speak, far fewer people would be religious.

Same thing with right wing talk radio. It only succeeds because they don’t allow opposing points of view. They know full well that many of their arguments fail in open debate with opposing points of view. So they don’t allow debate and anyone who sneaks in an opposing point of view is condemned, vilified, and insulted. The issue at hand is not discussed.

For thousands and thousands of years men and women have been getting together without the need for game. It wasn’t until the advent of reliable birth control, large scale night clubs, disco, and leisure suits that game and PUAs came into existence.

The thing though is that even though I’ve seen PUAs and game being played and refined over the past 30 years. Back in the day PUAs come off as rather sleazy and I don’t see much difference today. One of the claims of PUA gurus is that their way is derived from the way of naturals. But it isn’t, not by a long shot.

Back when I was in my teens and into my twenties I had a very close friend. He was Spanish/German with long curly brown hair and I , being Swedish with my long straight blonde hair. We worked well together, like some of the classic duos – Starsky and Hutch, Bo and Luke Duke, Page and Plant…

We’d go out cruising around. Ever so often we’d see some girls and just go up to them and say something like, “Hey, would you ladies like to go party?” Much more likely than not, they go, “yea” and they’d jump in the car and we’d go off someplace and party which often meant the consumption of alcohol and marijuana and often led to kissing and making out, at a minimum. Every time that we went out we found girls to party with.

Once we got the girls into the car the conversation was about whatever. It was never geared to seducing the girls. We always talked with them the same way as we talked to each other. We never thought about escalating and building this or that, that game guys talk about. After awhile chemistry would start to take over. I didn’t make out with every girl but I always had fun with them no matter if there was attraction between us or not.

It isn’t game verses looks, it is game verses everything else. When I was younger I thought that the reason that so many women liked me was because I was such a nice guy. But over time I cam to realize that it was the image that I project, something that should have been obvious to me because I am in the business of creating images.

I’ve long known what women are most attracted to – good looks, athleticism, being comfortable with oneself, and a pleasant charming personality – with things like intelligence, having interesting things to say, and humor being bonuses. A man who is truly attractive to women doesn’t have to game them.

The other day I saw a clip form some documentary type film about young (college age) people. Mostly the camera followed around a group of four guys. At one point they were walking along and up in front of them were a group of four girls. One of the guys points them out and goes, “there’s some fine looking women.” They walked up to the girls and everyone said “hi”. One of the girls said that later that night they were going to some club and that the guys should stop by. A little more small talk and the groups separated. Later that night the group of guys showed up at the club and sure enough the girls were there and they mingled and danced. In this whole sequence of events not once did I see or hear anything resembling game.

If want to help a young man who is having trouble getting together with a women game isn’t what you should teach him, and certainly you shouldn’t be filling his head with the idea that you’re teaching him some secret formula to get any woman he wants, because it isn’t going to happen.

Far better advice would be to tell him to improve himself. Put on some muscle, learn to smile better. Those guys with dorky looking heads should grow their hair out. Learn to be more sociable. Learn to see women as people.

If two guys were talking to a group of women and one guy says, “I get lots of women because I game them” and the other guy says, “Women are attracted to me because I’m good looking and really fun to be around”. Which one do you think the girls would be most leery of?

 

[aliasguy]

I've never posted in a "looks" thread before. And I hope this is the last time I do.

Someone above said "looks are irrelevant." Someone else somewhere, on some thread, has said looks are crucial, everything.


And the argument rages.

THIS is why the (apparently mythological) rule against "looks" threads exists. There's just no getting these disparate views to mesh.

It's like the abortion debate (if I may be allowed to muddy this up even more with an additional volatile topic.) There are extremists on either side who will not budge. I'm not saying that they HAVE to budge, or that they SHOULD budge, but hurling flame back and forth between the two camps isn't going to change any minds. (There are people on the fence / "moderates" but they don't have the strong desire to vigorously make their case.)


(In full disclosure, I think looks are not irrelevant, but are not "crucial." Just like money, "status," height, etc. For what it's worth.)


P.S. potato, HOW can you believe "game" is only 30 years old? People have been as they are for a few thousand years. Not much new under the sun. Maybe take a look at Cassanova, or some of Chretien's romances, or the Decameron, or a BUNCH of other old tales. How bout Dangerous Laisons, even? Sure, social mores evolve, and things change, but the underlying stuff that WORKS with women always has, basically. On the other hand, I don't disagree with you that the trump card is being a goodlooking, rich, fun, powerful guy who knows how to treat women in a way that makes her attracted to him, to sorta sum up what I think you mean.

 

[Gangster Of Love]

this coming from somebody named potato!

J/k, like your post. You should put it up in the Tips forum. I think you are on to something, and it would be read by more, instead of getting buried on this thread, which eventually will get locked.

 

[Obsidian]

yeah, potato makes some decent points -- for an atheistic liberal

Game does create attraction. It's just not natural attraction, and you can't come up with anything lasting and meaningful from it.

But I do think looks (as in genetic, pretty-boy looks) are really down pretty low on the list of things women go for. Mucles can help you a bit more, but even those aren't all that crucial, imo