Mode One - Alan Roger Currie

[stringpuller]

What is your assertion that 'Outside of bar game your success rate doing this far direct will be low' based on?

Experience. Just because Currie did not like bargame doesnt mean its not a real thing. There are different kind of clubs and bars everywere

 

[Guitar_Whizz]

Experience. Just because Currie did not like bargame doesnt mean its not a real thing. There are different kind of clubs and bars everywere

What were your personal experiences with doing Mode One approaches in the daytime/in non-bar or non-club environments?

 

[SW15]

if you'd properly read Currie's book, you'd know he said multiple times that bars and clubs are literally some of the WORST places to meet women. Most of his Mode One successes were in daytime, non-bar, non-club environments.

I never read the book. When was the book written? In March 2022, black pill content creator Wheat Waffles made an argument that echoed one that Currie made likely 15-20 years earlier.

There was a reason that I shifted more of my game from nightlife venues to non-bar venues in the early 2010s after reading Roosh's "Day Bang" not long after "Day Bang" was first published (2011).

Bars/nightclubs are tough environments for a lot of reasons. They are often sausage fests that are comparable to the sausage fest rates seen on Tinder/Bumble/Hinge. I think Tinder/Bumble/Hinge are even worse sausage fests now than nightlife venues. There was never a time in history between the 1980s-2010s when nightlife venues provided men with favorable ratios.

The biggest change since the early to mid 2000s is that a lot of nightlife venue cold approaching has been replaced by swipe apps and social media DMs. Non-bar approaching has always been more of a niche activity than nightlife approaching. I'd argue that swipe apps and social media DMs has likely reduced non-bar approaching, but the impact on non-bar approaching has been less than the impact on bar approaching. Before the rise of dating websites and later the dating swipe apps, most beta males without social circles were doing approaches in bars.

I've been following Alan Roger Currie and been doing direct/Mode One cold approaches since 2007. Like Currie, most of my successes have come from daytime approaches in the street, supermarkets, shopping malls, etc. You can use it in bars and clubs if you want, but they're not the best places to approach women. I have done literally thousands of direct approaches since 2007, so I have a lot of real world data and personal experience to back up my assertions.

Very good! One of the more frustrating things for non-bar approachers is getting attention. A non-bar setting is a general audience, so a man is encountering plenty of women with boyfriends. A lot of times, the women won't outright mention a boyfriend, but their disinterest in new penis is conveyed by their body language. Earbud wearers are actively discouraging approaches. There are a lot of times in parks and on paths that you deliver your opener and the woman keeps walking. That's a sign of disinterest. When these events happen, it's normal for a daygamer to wonder what's going on. Are approaches falling flat due to the factor of women in that venue not being in the market for new penis? Would bars be better because women in bars are more likely to be unattached and more likely looking for new penis? Conventional wisdom would indicate that the answer to the last question is yes. However, @oldmanofthesea, a man who has spent a lot of time in nightlife in his lifetime, made the observation from many hours out in the field that women in bars are no more likely to be unattached than women in non-bar venues.

 

[stringpuller]

What were your personal experiences with doing Mode One approaches in the daytime/in non-bar or non-club environments?

Mr. Whizz this is what seperates spergs from the rest. When you approach a woman in any environment with that look in her eye she already knows what the hell is up.
Mode 1 is simply doing it in a way that you both are in the know and no obe else isnt. Thats it.
Telling her outright is not usually successful.
Examples?? Lol how far you want me to go back? 80s? 90s? 2000?
Try not getting stone face when talking to her and see what happens.
You guys with no frame get triggered because all there is to this is not being a weirdo.
She declines? Who cares. Your fear is the biggest enemy.
Examples. Lmao. My life is the example.
Currie was just cool enough to write the shyt down and sell it. Same as rollo.

Women are not dumb. Stop making them dumb

 

[Guitar_Whizz]

When you approach a woman in any environment with that look in her eye she already knows what the hell is up.

No she doesn't. You can 'communicate' general interest in a woman like that, perhaps, but not what you're specifically looking for.

Please answer my question you failed to answer from earlier in this thread: 'How does a woman know SPECIFICALLY what type of romantic/sexual relationship you're looking for (I.e short terms vs long term, monogamous vs non monogamous, casual vs serious) if you don't communicate that verbally?'. How do you communicate what SPECIFICALLY you're looking for 'just by the way you look at her'?

Let me hear your answer, then I'll get back to you....

Telling her outright is not usually successful.

Not successful for who? It's successful for me! It was successful for Alan Roger Currie, David X and most of their followers all over the world. Just because YOU can't get success with direct approach doesn't mean 'telling her outright is not usually successful'.

In my experience, just the opposite is true: beating round the bush with indirect is not usually effective or successful when it comes to dating or hooking up with women. When I switched to direct, my success rate literally skyrocketed.

You guys with no frame

Direct guys have the best and strongest frame. We're clear communicators, we know exactly what we want from women and we express that in the most confident, clear, direct manner. That's what having a good frame is.

In contrast, indirect guys are poor communicators, they're vague and ambiguous about what they want from women as well as lack the balls to express their true romantic/sexual interest to women. So in other words, they have a weak frame.

all there is to this is not being a weirdo.

Being direct with women is not synonymous with being a weirdo. Our words and body language are aligned, ie we're totally congruent with women and come across as genuine and non-weird.

By contrast, indirect guys usually try to "communicate' their interest to women 'non-verbally' while trying to hide their interest verbally. This creates an incongruence women can easily spot and see through that makes these guys come across as fake and weird to women.

She declines? Who cares. Your fear is the biggest enemy.

Dude, a direct guy is the LEAST fearful and least scared of rejection. We face rejection head on and aren't scared or adversely affected by it when it inevitably happens with some we women. We gracefully accept it and move on to the next girl. We also accept that rejection is a fact of life, and that it's not possible to get 100% of women you approach no matter how good your game is.

In contrast, indirect guys are usually the most fearful and afraid of rejection. They actively go out of their way to true and avoid rejection. Newsflash: indirect doesn't help you avoid rejection from a woman, it just delays it, thus causing you to waste unnecessary time and even money in the pursuit of women.

Examples. Lmao. My life is the example.

So is my life, and I can safely say I've had significantly better results with women by being direct than being indirect.

Women are not dumb. Stop making them dumb

I would never insult a woman's intelligence by beating round the bush. Women aren't dumb, right?!

What indirect guys essentially do is to try to date or hook up with women by pretending they're not trying to date or hook up with them. That's the weakest, dumbest sh*t ever. Thry pretend like sex is the last thing on their mind, but women can easily see through the façade because, remember, women aren't dumb!

 

[Guitar_Whizz]

I never read the book. When was the book written?.

As I recall, the original ebook version of 'Mode One' came out in 1999 and the paperback came out in 2006. An updated version was released in 2017. There are also audio book versions. In addition to these, Currie has released 6 or 7 books and audio books that cover other aspects of the direct approach.

Bars/nightclubs are tough environments for a lot of reasons. They are often sausage fests that are comparable to the sausage fest rates seen on Tinder/Bumble/Hinge. I think Tinder/Bumble/Hinge are even worse sausage fests now than nightlife venues. There was never a time in history between the 1980s-2010s when nightlife venues provided men with favorable ratios.

All the more reason to focus on approaching in everyday daytime non-bar, non-club environments.

The biggest change since the early to mid 2000s is that a lot of nightlife venue cold approaching has been replaced by swipe apps and social media DMs.

Yep. A lot of millennial guys are weak and socially inept, something which too much reliance on dating apps, social media and other forms of digital communication have contributed to.

Dating apps and social media are for guys who are pussies and don't have the balls to approach women in real life. End of.

I believe the over-reliance on digital communication to meet and 'chat' with the opposite sex has made a lot of women of this generation socially inept too.

Non-bar approaching has always been more of a niche activity than nightlife approaching. I'd argue that swipe apps and social media DMs has likely reduced non-bar approaching, but the impact on non-bar approaching has been less than the impact on bar approaching.

Before the rise of dating websites and later the dating swipe apps, most beta males without social circles were doing approaches in bars.

Perhaps, but those beta males would have had terrible/non-existent game and could only approach women while they were drunk and had 'Dutch courage'. The alpha males with good game back then got the bulk of the *****, and that's still true today.

One of the more frustrating things for non-bar approachers is getting attention. A non-bar setting is a general audience, so a man is encountering plenty of women with boyfriends.

Not necessarily. But once you get to an advanced level of game, you realise that a woman 'having a boyfriend' is irrelevant. You can still pursue them as you would any other woman. That is a deep subject, but one you can master with experience.

I subscribe to the saying 'All women are single unless they have a ring on their finger'. I personally draw the line at married or engaged women, but the term 'boyfriend' does not have the same connotations.

The line 'I've got a boyfriend' is the biggest sh*t test women will use to test men. Once you realise this, you never again need fear the 'I've got a boyfriend' line again. It's a chance for you to shine and show her how good your verbal seduction skills and confidence really are.

I turn the boyfriend objection to my advantage. If a girl is saying she 'has a boyfriend' but is still standing there giving me receptive body language, I either simply ignore it and carry on my interaction, or use comebacks I've developed to counteract is. This often swings the seduction in my favour and the fact that she 'has a boyfriend' becomes irrelevant.

Only a rookie or naive guy gives up when a girl says she 'has a boyfriend'.

That said, if a girl says she has a boyfriend but immediately ends the interaction or gives you very unreceptive body language, you should move on to another girl. Most of the time, though, it's simply a test and most guys fall for it!

A lot of times, the women won't outright mention a boyfriend, but their disinterest in new penis is conveyed by their body language.

Yes, you can always tell whether a woman is truly interested or not in you romantically/sexually from her body language. Men need to learn to read women and identify the signs of interest vs disinterest.

Earbud wearers are actively discouraging approaches.

I respectfully disagree with this. Women wearing earbuds/headphones may simply enjoy listening to music.

I never let the fact that a woman is wearing earbuds or headphones put me off approaching them. When I'm walking on the street, I usually motion to them with a slight wave of my hand when I'm close to the woman in order to get their attention since they probably won't be able to hear me if I speak. What usually happens (though not always) is that they take off their earbuds/headphones, then I can simply launch into my direct approach as I would with any other girl. Don't let the fact she's wearing headphones stop you from approaching her. It's just an excuse.

There are a lot of times in parks and on paths that you deliver your opener and the woman keeps walking. That's a sign of disinterest.

It's not always a sign of disinterest. It could well just be you took her by surprise, she is in a hurry to get somewhere, she's in a bad mood etc. Though if she doesn't stop, just let her go. Don't follow her etc.

You have to distinguish between girls who are walking towards you vs in the same direction as you. If walking towards you, you can say a simple 'Excuse me', even do a slight wave to get her attention, while looking into her eyes. If she stops, you can launch into your approach.

For girls who are walking in the same direction as you, perhaps a little in front of you, you don't need to worry about getting them to stop. Just walk alongside them - you can 'walk and talk' as you do your approach. Gauge her reaction - if she seems receptive to your approach then carry on, or if not them cut your losses and move on to the next girl.

When these events happen, it's normal for a daygamer to wonder what's going on. Are approaches falling flat due to the factor of women in that venue not being in the market for new penis?

Don't focus on women who aren't receptive/who aren't interested. Only focus on the ones who are. Some girls not stopping is just part of the game. Don't over-analyse or over-think it, just move on to the next girl. Part of becoming a master of seduction is accepting you cannot and never will get 100% success rate. Only naive guys with poor game believe otherwise.

Would bars be better because women in bars are more likely to be unattached and more likely looking for new penis? Conventional wisdom would indicate that the answer to the last question is yes.

No. In my experience, even a lot of girls who have boyfriends still go out to bars and clubs. That's not to say you can't still pull them, but the fact that they're in a bar or club does not automatically mean they're single.

However, @oldmanofthesea, a man who has spent a lot of time in nightlife in his lifetime, made the observation from many hours out in the field that women in bars are no more likely to be unattached than women in non-bar venues.

Exactly, I agree.

 

[bat soup]

Mode One Cat says, "Next Friday, Next Saturday?"
Woman Says, "Excuse me?
Mode One Cat says, "You're excused. Next Friday, Next Saturday ---> When we hookin' up?

Woman Says, "Ooh, goody, how about at 5pm on Wednesday?"
Mode One Cat says, "No, that's when I'm banging your sister"

 

[SW15]

A lot of millennial guys are weak and socially inept, something which too much reliance on dating apps, social media and other forms of digital communication have contributed to.

Dating apps and social media are for guys who are pussies and don't have the balls to approach women in real life.

I believe the over-reliance only digital communication to meet and 'chat' with the opposite sex has made a lot of women of this generation socially inept too.

I agree with all of this.

Non-bar approaching has always been more of a niche activity than nightlife approaching. I'd argue that swipe apps and social media DMs has likely reduced non-bar approaching, but the impact on non-bar approaching has been less than the impact on bar approaching.

those beta males would have had terrible/non-existent game and could only approach women while they were drunk and had 'Dutch courage'. The alpha males with good game back then got the bulk of the *****, and that's still true today.

The typical beta male either in the 1990s-2000s or 2010-present needed liquid courage to be able to start approaching. We agree.

Non-bar approaching is real test of a man's approaching skill because it isn't a common practice to do non-bar approaching when intoxicated. It would be possible to take a strong drink in a mall's parking lot, do approaches for 1-2 hours, and then leave. A similar thing could be done in the parking lot of a path, city park, or a grocery store parking lot. Most non-bar approachers won't do what I described in the last sentence & are doing the approaches completely sober.

once you get to an advanced level of game, you realise that a woman 'having a boyfriend' is irrelevant. You can still pursue them as you would any other woman. That is a deep subject, but one you can master with experience.

I subscribe to the saying 'All women are single unless they have a ring on their finger'. I personally draw the line at married or engaged women, but the term 'boyfriend' does not have the same connotations.

The line 'I've got a boyfriend' is the biggest sh*t test women will use to test men. Once you realise this, you never again need fear the 'I've got a boyfriend' line again. It's a chance for you to shine and show her how good your verbal seduction skills and confidence really are.

I turn the boyfriend objection to my advantage. If a girl is saying she 'has a boyfriend' but is still standing there giving me receptive body language, I either simply ignore it and carry on my interaction, or use comebacks I've developed to counteract is. This often swings the seduction in my favour and the fact that she 'has a boyfriend' becomes irrelevant.

Only a rookie or naive guy gives up when a girl says she 'has a boyfriend'.

That said, if a girl says she has a boyfriend but immediately ends the interaction or gives you very unreceptive body language, you should move on to another girl. Most of the time, though, it's simply a test and most guys fall for it!

I got the "I Have a Boyfriend" (IHAB) way more in the 2000s then I have gotten since 2010. I can't remember the last time I got that line.

There were a couple of times in the 2010s when I got "IHAB'ed" and pushed back with a "Boyfriend Destroyer Line". There was no time where my Boyfriend Destroyer Line worked. I strongly agree that every man should push back when hearing about the boyfriend if she directly mentions it. Some women might subtly mention a boyfriend in the midst of a conversation. In those cases, that isn't an IHAB and it's unclear if it is a shiit test. In most cases, it's still worth pushing the envelope and trying to get the date.

You're right that most men fail the boyfriend shiit test.

Because I've rarely gotten the IHAB shiit test in the past 7-10 years, I thought women were getting better at making excuses.

In this 2021 video, this daygame newbie got IHAB'ed multiple times, so the IHAB isn't dead.

Women wearing earbuds/headphones may simply enjoy listening to music.

I never let the fact that a woman is wearing earbuds or headphones put me off approaching them. When I'm walking on the street, I usually motion to them with a slight wave of my hand when I'm close to the woman in order to get their attention since they probably won't be able to hear me if I speak. What usually happens (though not always) is that they take off their earbuds/headphones, then I can simply launch into my direct approach as I would with any other girl. Don't let the fact she's wearing headphones stop you from approaching her. It's just an excuse.

I've had a difficult time in navigating the earbud problem in the past ~10 years. It does likely reduce the number of approaches that women field.

I have approached women with earbuds when I received IOIs.

You have to distinguish between girls who are walking towards you vs in the same direction as you. If walking towards you, you can say a simple 'Excuse me', even do a slight wave to get her attention, while looking into her eyes. If she stops, you can launch into your approach.

For girls who are walking in the same direction as you, perhaps a little in front of you, you don't need to worry about getting them to stop. Just walk alongside them - you can 'walk and talk' as you do your approach. Gauge her reaction - if she seems receptive to your approach then carry on, or if not them cut your losses and move on to the next girl.

In path approaching, I've preferred to approach women walking towards me. I find those to be the easier approaches.