Mma And Ufc Thread.

[lookyoung]

I know there are some MMA practitioners out here. This thread is for you. I would like to say that the MMA game has changed so much.

I remember the days of style vs. style. Those days are over. These guys in the UFC are so well versed in everything it seems that the best athlete is usually winning the fight.

I thought that serra showed a ton of heart against St. Pierre.

I am also going to say that I think that Bisping would give anderson silva a run for his money. The guy has a ton of balls, and a no quit attitude. Did anyone see how much more ripped he looked in his first fight at 185 pounds.

If you want to see a great bjj guy look out for damain maia who Triangle choked Ed herman from the mount. This guy is going to be a force to be reckoned with. He personally is my favorite bjj player.

This thread is for anyone looking to discuss anything related to MMA.

 

[Levex]

I would have to disagree on Bisping...he would get mauled by Silva. Nobody in his weight class can touch him right now.

Serra did go out with class, but it really was a no brainer. The guy is a borderline dwarf and St.Pierre is one the best athletes i have ever seen... no contest.

This was a great fight card on Saturday, and i'm also looking forward to UFC 84.

My picks for main fights are:
Penn over Sherk
Machida over Ortiz
Silva over Jardine

 

[lookyoung]

I would have to disagree on Bisping...he would get mauled by Silva. Nobody in his weight class can touch him right now.

Serra did go out with class, but it really was a no brainer. The guy is a borderline dwarf and St.Pierre is one the best athletes i have ever seen... no contest.

This was a great fight card on Saturday, and i'm also looking forward to UFC 84.

My picks for main fights are:
Penn over Sherk
Machida over Ortiz
Silva over Jardine

I don't think he would get mauled against Silva. I would pick silva to win the fight however. If you look at bisping's fights he fought up a weight class and gave matt hamill and Rashad evans all he could handle. I think it would be an interesting matchup and I think he probably has the best chance to beat silva at 185 pounds.

My picks for UFC 84.
Penn over sherk. Although this is a very dangerous fight for bj penn. Sherk has good take downs and it a very good top bjj player. he has short extremties and would be hard to submit.

I like Ortiz over Machida I think this will be a controversial decision but I think ortiz will score the take downs and be on top most of the time. He will win a close decision.

Jardine over Silva. Silva has been in too many wars and I think he is a little small for the 205 pound weight class.


My upset special for UFC 85. Rashad Evans will defeat Liddell. Styles make fights and Lidells is taylor made for Rashad Evans.

 

[PRMoon]

MMA is the popular sport of our era. If you come to my hotel, you'll see as much if not more advertizing for UFC fight as as you would the traditional boxing match. What makes MMA great is that it is a constantly evolving sport. Even though it's new and hip, they seek out and find well trained fighers of almost every scope to test their ability in the ring. Don't get me wrong, I still love boxing but where do I do most of my stregth and condition trianing? Yeah it's at an MMA gym. They're cheaper then 24 hour fitness and better equpped then the traditional boxing gym hands down. MMA is fantastic and they're going to force more people to embrace it.

P.S. MMA leagues and fighters make the most stylish gear ever. I wear Warrior and Hitman fight gear everywhere and everybody loves it universally.

 

[Gaucho]

MMA is the popular sport of our era. If you come to my hotel, you'll see as much if not more advertizing for UFC fight as as you would the traditional boxing match.

Over in Australia, the BHOP V Joe Cal fight took precedence over the Serra fight.

So MMA is still quiet some behind boxing here.

If you look at global numbers, I would imagine it is still far behind boxing also. Anybody have some unbias statistics?

Boxing is years of tradition, MMA is exactly that, still evolving. Not many polished guys in the MMA, so many fights are pretty scrapy. Boxers have been doing what they do since kids, which will be the way one day in the MMA most probably. But until then, we have to put up with only a handful of polished fighters in the MMA.

Unless it can claw more guys away from K1 etc (like Cung Le).

 

[Ken785]

Did anyone else watch the UFC 83 event last saturday??

I thought the Nate Quarry vs. Kalib Sterns fight was disgraceful, on Sterns part. Nate did his best to make it a good fight but Sterns just ran away like a coward. Articles about that poor match are all over the place, even Yahoo.

Sterns scored the second lowest in UFC history on the scorecards. Sterns also got cut from his contract after that, but its shameful of him to be kicked out of mma with his tail between his legs.

Man, people are going to brand him the coward of mma now, man i feel sorry for this guy because i have a feeling it will stick with him for a long time...the people in his city would probably name a chicken sandwich after him!

 

[PRMoon]

Unless it can claw more guys away from K1 etc (like Cung Le).

K 1 is a mixed martial arts league smart guy. Besides that only adds to the beauty of the sport. Muy Thai, BJJ, Kempo, Karate, BOXING. They all comprised some form of martial art. Hence the name MIXED martial arts. Any and all of these leagues can and likely already do have tournaments in where ever you reside. This precident only fuels the MMA fire. UFC is just the best seller of something that already exist. The winds of change are upon you and the storm is iminant. Get use to it.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Lookyoung and anyone else who might happen to be remotely near Southern Illinois are invited to see our cage fight on this Saturday, April 26th in Carbondale.
Here's our fight card:
http://www.sportsblast.net/events/bb2fc.html

I am not fighting yet, not until this fall, but I train with most of the guys on the right side of the card. One of our main event fighters is Matt Hughes' Jiu-Jitsu instructor at his new Hit Squad training facility. If anyone from here wants to attend, pm me and I'll help you out with better seats and buy you some beer. There's a sports bar in the building, and the fighters usually sit around and drink for a couple of hours after the fights. It's a good time.

 

[lookyoung]

Lookyoung and anyone else who might happen to be remotely near Southern Illinois are invited to see our cage fight on this Saturday, April 26th in Carbondale.
Here's our fight card:
http://www.sportsblast.net/events/bb2fc.html

I am not fighting yet, not until this fall, but I train with most of the guys on the right side of the card. One of our main event fighters is Matt Hughes' Jiu-Jitsu instructor at his new Hit Squad training facility. If anyone from here wants to attend, pm me and I'll help you out with better seats and buy you some beer. There's a sports bar in the building, and the fighters usually sit around and drink for a couple of hours after the fights. It's a good time.

Thanks alot for the invite Biblebelt. I don't think I will be able to attend. I believe you said carbondale is about 5 hours from Chicago so that is pretty far for me to travel. There is a Naga Tournament Coming up in Chicago on May 24. Any guys from your school going to compete? I wanted to compete but have not been practicing has much as I would like. I am not physically or mentally ready for the tournament. I will probably go to support our guys however.

 

[Bible_Belt]

We had our cage fight event last night; it was a lot of fun. All of the guys I train with won their fights, for one guy it was his first fight and a couple other fighters fought a weight class up and gave up 20 pounds or more, but still won. Another guy of ours broke his index finger of his dominant hand on the first punch of his fight; after that he could only throw hammer fist punches with that hand, yet he knocked the other guy out anyway. That was some interesting boxing to see.

 

[BMX]

I just watched a live MMA event last night. Frank Trigg was the commentator. Mario Yamasaki was a referee. Arlovski, Rampage, Carlos Condit (WEC), Hermes Franca and Brandon Vera were in attendance. I got a pic with a fighter and had an amazing time. The after party was in D.C. but I couldn't go.

 

[backbreaker]

i saw UFC for the first time in my life yesterday, and I'm hooked!!!

that silva guy is unreal.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Anderson Silva or Wanderlei Silva?

 

[backbreaker]

there is more than one? Anderson Silva

 

[lookyoung]

I am talking about anderson silva. But I think Wanderlai will lose to jardine. I think jardine is the bigger 205 pounder. It should be an intersting fight and the next UFC fight card is going to be amazing.

W silva vs. Jardine
Machida vs. Ortiz
Sherk vs. Penn


Those are practically 3 main events in one night.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Yeah, Anderson Silva is dominating 185 right now. He should have some great matches against top contenders over the next few fights.

Here is the local newspaper article about our fight event. The link should work for a few days. The guy in the picture is a training partner of mine.

http://www.southernillinoisan.com/articles/2008/04/26/sports/24265507.txt

 

[lookyoung]

Yeah, Anderson Silva is dominating 185 right now. He should have some great matches against top contenders over the next few fights.

Here is the local newspaper article about our fight event. The link should work for a few days. The guy in the picture is a training partner of mine.

http://www.southernillinoisan.com/articles/2008/04/26/sports/24265507.txt

I am glad to see that he got the W. Do most of the guys from you gym that compete in MMA have a wrestling background. I know this type of background helps tremendously. If I could have done it all over I would have wrestled in highschool, and probably college if I was good enough.

 

[Bible_Belt]

I think most of us wrestled in high school, but I don't know anyone who took it farther than that. I only did it for two years in high school due to injury. It does help, but enough bjj skills trump wrestling skills. I see some nice wrestling-style takedowns, but then the wrestler gets stuck in the guard and swept or submitted. Wrestling also give a fighter a few bad habits like giving up his own back. That's fine in wrestling, but very bad in submission grappling where chokes are allowed. One of our guys won with a nicely done rear naked choke oven an opponent who looked twenty pounds heavier and significantly stronger - and could probably wrestle pretty well. But he gave up his back and lost in the first round. Wrestling is helpful, but bjj is much more helpful.

 

[lookyoung]

I think most of us wrestled in high school, but I don't know anyone who took it farther than that. I only did it for two years in high school due to injury. It does help, but enough bjj skills trump wrestling skills. I see some nice wrestling-style takedowns, but then the wrestler gets stuck in the guard and swept or submitted. Wrestling also give a fighter a few bad habits like giving up his own back. That's fine in wrestling, but very bad in submission grappling where chokes are allowed. One of our guys won with a nicely done rear naked choke oven an opponent who looked twenty pounds heavier and significantly stronger - and could probably wrestle pretty well. But he gave up his back and lost in the first round. Wrestling is helpful, but bjj is much more helpful.

yes style vs style bjj will trump wrestling usually. My favorite marital art is by far bjj but if someone asked me which of these bases would you like to have to become a great mma fighter.

A gold medalist greco roman wrestler.
A boxing world champ.
A muythai world champ.
Or a world champ bjj.

I would go with being the wrestling gold medalist. Reason being is if your a GM wrestler and take one year of bjj you will be hard to submit. Once you recognize submission defense your bjj becomes alot better. Also after a year of training the top postitioning of wrestler will probably be close to brown belt level. Even though his submissions may suck that is were ground and pound comes in handy. Add to that the fact that the wrestler has great conditioning and strength. Now MMA has 5 minute rounds which take away from the art of bjj. If it was no time limit than it would probably be a toss up with bjj having the edge.

I even spoke to a few brown belts and my school and they both agreed for MMA wrestling is the best base to have.

 

[Bible_Belt]

I think it was you who said regarding Serra v GSP that we are getting to the point where the best athlete wins. This sport is changing very quickly, and that may be where we are right now. Even in local level events, I think that is becoming true. One of our guys had his first fight on Saturday. He is 5'7" and 165 pounds, a stout and squat wrestler. He did well in hs. In pure collegiate style wrestling, he beats me pretty easily. He fought a tall thin guy like me, 6' or so. I expected to see him wrestle the other guy, but he won with a flurry of muay thai knee strikes and better conditioning.

Of the arts you listed:
wrestling
boxing
muythai
bjj

Are of them are practiced in one of my typical mma classes. We practice boxing/kickboxing punches and kicks with a target holder. Then we will learn a move or two in one of those four arts and practice that. Sometimes we spar with boxing gloves. Usually we will submission wrestle toward the end of the class, which is bjj plus wrestling.

mma has come to remind me of Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do philosophy - 'The best style is no style.'