What did you think of the memorial? I felt choked up the whole way through and when I saw MJ's daughter break down at the end, it was so heart-breaking I couldn't help but well up with tears. Even when I see the replay of that, I have to turn the channel. That was just something else. I can't believe they organized something of this magnitude all within just a couple days. A buddy of mine actually won a couple of tickets in the lottery and said it hell of an experience.
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
MJ fans
- Thread starter speakeasy
- Start date
"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
War Against Betaism
Master Don Juan
I missed it, are they replaying it anywhere?
The subject was "MJ fans". If you aren't a fan, why did you even bother posting in here?worship said:Couldn't really care less.
And about his daughter 'breaking down' at the funeral... well what did you expect her to do? Her dad died.
CNN is replaying it in the morning tomorrow. But I'm sure there's got to be a streaming site showing it.War Against Betaism said:I missed it, are they replaying it anywhere?
"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
KontrollerX
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I wanted to see Mariah perform both the Jackson's hit as well as her own "I'll be there" and it was something to watch her try and make it through the song.
She was probably too emotional to be performing it but she recovered near the middle and gave it her best effort under the circumstances which gave the song and moment even more meaning.
The whole tribute actually was incredibly emotional and sad not just the little girl but Michael's brother Marlon giving that speech about how he hurt, Stevie Wonder's voice breaking up as he talked about how he didn't want to live to see this day...well being blind he wouldn't anyway but hey ya know what he meant...
Also Jermaine singing Michael's favorite song and Usher trying to get through "Gone too soon" were also amazing moments.
Jackson's version of the song is better of course and more vocally pure but Usher did what he could with it.
The only bad performance of the night I'd say was John Mayer and others trying to perform my personal favorite Jackson song "Human Nature" but to be fair to them that is such a difficult song only Jackson himself can properly perform it.
She was probably too emotional to be performing it but she recovered near the middle and gave it her best effort under the circumstances which gave the song and moment even more meaning.
The whole tribute actually was incredibly emotional and sad not just the little girl but Michael's brother Marlon giving that speech about how he hurt, Stevie Wonder's voice breaking up as he talked about how he didn't want to live to see this day...well being blind he wouldn't anyway but hey ya know what he meant...
Also Jermaine singing Michael's favorite song and Usher trying to get through "Gone too soon" were also amazing moments.
Jackson's version of the song is better of course and more vocally pure but Usher did what he could with it.
The only bad performance of the night I'd say was John Mayer and others trying to perform my personal favorite Jackson song "Human Nature" but to be fair to them that is such a difficult song only Jackson himself can properly perform it.
LOL :crackup:KontrollerX said:Stevie Wonder's voice breaking up as he talked about how he didn't want to live to see this day...well being blind he wouldn't anyway but hey ya know what he meant...
Btw, am I the only one that thinks Mariah Carey looks better now than she did 17 years ago?KontrollerX said:I wanted to see Mariah perform both the Jackson's hit as well as her own "I'll be there" and it was something to watch her try and make it through the song.
She was probably too emotional to be performing it but she recovered near the middle and gave it her best effort under the circumstances which gave the song and moment even more meaning.
I thought it was Smokey Robinson that said that? Maybe I'm wrong. Smokey looks great and healthy at nearly age 70. I can only hope I look that good at his age.The whole tribute actually was incredibly emotional and sad not just the little girl but Michael's brother Marlon giving that speech about how he hurt, Stevie Wonder's voice breaking up as he talked about how he didn't want to live to see this day...well being blind he wouldn't anyway but hey ya know what he meant...
Both were amazing. Man, that whole show was emotionally intense. And I'm not even an emotional person. It takes a lot to bring me to tears. Jermaine seems like a really nice dude in interviews. He has the same mild-mannerisms as Michael, but without the weirdness.Also Jermaine singing Michael's favorite song and Usher trying to get through "Gone too soon" were also amazing moments.
I was really surprised why Mayer was chosen of all people they could've chosen. I think he did a decent job. It wasn't my favorite performance, but it was cool. Human Behavior is an incredible song.The only bad performance of the night I'd say was John Mayer and others trying to perform my personal favorite Jackson song "Human Nature" but to be fair to them that is such a difficult song only Jackson himself can properly perform it.
The Michael Jackson memorial: A mostly tawdry affair
Given the circumstances surrounding Michael Jackson’s memorial held in Los Angeles Tuesday morning—the singer’s immense celebrity and notoriety, the self-serving aims and motives of some of the participants, the generally circus-like atmosphere created by the media—how could the service not have been a bizarre, and, sadly, often tawdry, affair?
A collection of performers, preachers and politicians entertained or addressed a crowd of some 20,000 people in the Staples Center for slightly more than two hours. The overall tone of the event, streamed live over the Internet by numerous outlets and watched by a large global audience, was sentimental, religious and oriented to a version of identity politics.
The central political themes were heavy-handedly delivered by an official delegation of African-American politicians and personalities: Texas Democratic Congresswoman Shirley Jackson Lee, Martin Luther King III and his sister, Bernice King, and, offering the main eulogy, the Rev. Al Sharpton. Their collective remarks constituted a transparent effort to shore up the Democratic Party, its minority wing in particular, and transform the funeral service into something of a rally for Barack Obama.
Jackson’s death, at the age of 50, on June 25 had an undoubted impact on a great many people around the world. He was, for a combination of reasons, one of the best known personalities on earth. The entertainment and tabloid media, which hounded and derided Jackson in life, has bestowed on him—in death—nearly divine status.
This speaks to their manipulative and corrupt character, and has little to do with the singer. An immensely gifted performer, with a deeply troubled and reclusive personality, Jackson, because he was so genuinely unknown to the public, now invitingly offers something of a blank slate on which various social elements are attempting to inscribe their agendas.
The artistic and social claims being made on his behalf—they reached something of a crescendo in the emotional, hothouse atmosphere of the Staples Center (“the greatest entertainer on earth,” “the healer of the world”)—are simply false. And this falsity largely extended over and dominated the affair. Genuine and spontaneous moments were few and far between. In regard to his family members and friends, this is perhaps understandable. In some cases, however, the tributes were dishonest and politically motivated.
Any quasi-objective assessment of Jackson’s life, his strengths and weaknesses as an artist and a human being, was out of the question.
Queen Latifah sounded a note that would be repeated often during the event, observing that Jackson had opened doors for other African-American performers like herself. “Michael was the biggest star on earth,” she told the crowd. “He let me know that as an African-American, you could travel the world—there was a world outside of America, other people.”
Motown’s Berry Gordy, whose concerns, one imagines, are always bound up with ongoing commercial interests, concluded his remarks with the following: “The more I think about Michael Jackson, the more I think ‘The King of Pop’ is not big enough for him. I think he is simply the greatest entertainer that ever lived.” Such exaggerated claims simply do Jackson a disservice.
Al Sharpton asserted that Jackson’s “dream... had changed culture all over the world.” The singer, Sharpton declared proudly, had prepared the way for television personality Oprah Winfrey and golfer Tiger Woods. Moreover, the comfort level Jackson created among a multi-cultural audience of young people led them “to being 40-year-olds [who were] comfortable to vote for a person of color as president of the United States.”
Martin Luther King’s daughter, Bernice, a conservative fundamentalist minister, who has been active in anti-gay work, told the audience that “it is only God’s love that will sustain you and move you to a higher ground, far above the noise of life.”
Rep. Lee from Texas held up a framed document, which, she explained, was “a resolution, to be debated on the floor of the House, that claims Michael Jackson as an American legend, a musical icon, and a world humanitarian.”
All of this had a political purpose—to paint America as a land of opportunity, even for the most oppressed, to promote the Obama administration, and, bound up with that, to divert attention from the devastating social crisis. The state of California is essentially bankrupt, and the city of Los Angeles was obliged to create a special web site to solicit funds to pay for the costs associated with the Jackson memorial service.
Whether the event had the desired effect on popular consciousness is questionable. The effort to recreate the real or exaggerated hysteria that surrounded the death of Princess Diana in Britain in 1997 seems destined to fall flat. There is no doubt a certain amorphous and not entirely healthy fascination about Jackson’s life and fate, but it hardly goes farther than that for the vast majority.
Predictions of a crowd of 250,000 people or more showing up around the arena where the memorial was held failed to materialize. The New York Times reported that aside from journalists “and those with tickets to the memorial service, the crowd around the perimeter of the Staples Center numbered only about 1,000,” according to Los Angeles Deputy Police Chief Sergio Diaz.
“We asked people not to come out and just be on the street and spectate from a distance, and it seems to have worked,” Diaz said. That large numbers of people did not risk the inconvenience of terrible Los Angeles traffic to be near the event speaks to their somewhat diminished level of commitment and obsession.
Other, more practical and mundane questions—jobs, health care, education, recession—are likely to be uppermost in a great many minds
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/jul2009/jack-j08.shtml
Given the circumstances surrounding Michael Jackson’s memorial held in Los Angeles Tuesday morning—the singer’s immense celebrity and notoriety, the self-serving aims and motives of some of the participants, the generally circus-like atmosphere created by the media—how could the service not have been a bizarre, and, sadly, often tawdry, affair?
A collection of performers, preachers and politicians entertained or addressed a crowd of some 20,000 people in the Staples Center for slightly more than two hours. The overall tone of the event, streamed live over the Internet by numerous outlets and watched by a large global audience, was sentimental, religious and oriented to a version of identity politics.
The central political themes were heavy-handedly delivered by an official delegation of African-American politicians and personalities: Texas Democratic Congresswoman Shirley Jackson Lee, Martin Luther King III and his sister, Bernice King, and, offering the main eulogy, the Rev. Al Sharpton. Their collective remarks constituted a transparent effort to shore up the Democratic Party, its minority wing in particular, and transform the funeral service into something of a rally for Barack Obama.
Jackson’s death, at the age of 50, on June 25 had an undoubted impact on a great many people around the world. He was, for a combination of reasons, one of the best known personalities on earth. The entertainment and tabloid media, which hounded and derided Jackson in life, has bestowed on him—in death—nearly divine status.
This speaks to their manipulative and corrupt character, and has little to do with the singer. An immensely gifted performer, with a deeply troubled and reclusive personality, Jackson, because he was so genuinely unknown to the public, now invitingly offers something of a blank slate on which various social elements are attempting to inscribe their agendas.
The artistic and social claims being made on his behalf—they reached something of a crescendo in the emotional, hothouse atmosphere of the Staples Center (“the greatest entertainer on earth,” “the healer of the world”)—are simply false. And this falsity largely extended over and dominated the affair. Genuine and spontaneous moments were few and far between. In regard to his family members and friends, this is perhaps understandable. In some cases, however, the tributes were dishonest and politically motivated.
Any quasi-objective assessment of Jackson’s life, his strengths and weaknesses as an artist and a human being, was out of the question.
Queen Latifah sounded a note that would be repeated often during the event, observing that Jackson had opened doors for other African-American performers like herself. “Michael was the biggest star on earth,” she told the crowd. “He let me know that as an African-American, you could travel the world—there was a world outside of America, other people.”
Motown’s Berry Gordy, whose concerns, one imagines, are always bound up with ongoing commercial interests, concluded his remarks with the following: “The more I think about Michael Jackson, the more I think ‘The King of Pop’ is not big enough for him. I think he is simply the greatest entertainer that ever lived.” Such exaggerated claims simply do Jackson a disservice.
Al Sharpton asserted that Jackson’s “dream... had changed culture all over the world.” The singer, Sharpton declared proudly, had prepared the way for television personality Oprah Winfrey and golfer Tiger Woods. Moreover, the comfort level Jackson created among a multi-cultural audience of young people led them “to being 40-year-olds [who were] comfortable to vote for a person of color as president of the United States.”
Martin Luther King’s daughter, Bernice, a conservative fundamentalist minister, who has been active in anti-gay work, told the audience that “it is only God’s love that will sustain you and move you to a higher ground, far above the noise of life.”
Rep. Lee from Texas held up a framed document, which, she explained, was “a resolution, to be debated on the floor of the House, that claims Michael Jackson as an American legend, a musical icon, and a world humanitarian.”
All of this had a political purpose—to paint America as a land of opportunity, even for the most oppressed, to promote the Obama administration, and, bound up with that, to divert attention from the devastating social crisis. The state of California is essentially bankrupt, and the city of Los Angeles was obliged to create a special web site to solicit funds to pay for the costs associated with the Jackson memorial service.
Whether the event had the desired effect on popular consciousness is questionable. The effort to recreate the real or exaggerated hysteria that surrounded the death of Princess Diana in Britain in 1997 seems destined to fall flat. There is no doubt a certain amorphous and not entirely healthy fascination about Jackson’s life and fate, but it hardly goes farther than that for the vast majority.
Predictions of a crowd of 250,000 people or more showing up around the arena where the memorial was held failed to materialize. The New York Times reported that aside from journalists “and those with tickets to the memorial service, the crowd around the perimeter of the Staples Center numbered only about 1,000,” according to Los Angeles Deputy Police Chief Sergio Diaz.
“We asked people not to come out and just be on the street and spectate from a distance, and it seems to have worked,” Diaz said. That large numbers of people did not risk the inconvenience of terrible Los Angeles traffic to be near the event speaks to their somewhat diminished level of commitment and obsession.
Other, more practical and mundane questions—jobs, health care, education, recession—are likely to be uppermost in a great many minds
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/jul2009/jack-j08.shtml
Mandiblard
Senior Don Juan
John Mayers performance of Human Nature was incredible, definitely the highlight for me
"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
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"Btw, am I the only one that thinks Mariah Carey looks better now than she did 17 years ago?"
I think she's beginning to show signs of aging.
That said I still think she is severely fvckable.
17 years ago I don't think she was at her hottest.
In my opinion her hottest appearance came a few years later and I think she peaked in attractiveness at the time she made her "Heartbreaker" song and video.
I think she's beginning to show signs of aging.
That said I still think she is severely fvckable.
17 years ago I don't think she was at her hottest.
In my opinion her hottest appearance came a few years later and I think she peaked in attractiveness at the time she made her "Heartbreaker" song and video.