"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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SoreLoser67

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I have started seeing this new girl. Shes pretty, funny, and well educated. We have gone on about 4 dates thus far, the first two I was more into trying to get to know more about her, and have some good conversations. On our third date, we went and saw a movie..I held her hand, and she seemed to respond well to it, after the movie, she gave me a hug , and I gave her a nice kiss goodnight (being our first), she didnt mind that, and it went really well we both left smiling. Today we hung out again, but there seemed to be nothing, I mean we talked, and had fun...but she didnt hold my hand, and nothing really progressed along as I thought it would have since the previous date. she seems to sort of be holding back, in a way. Im just not too sure where she stands in our situation, Im not sure I wanna ask...cause that might seem weird. should I say something? or just let things go on as usual? where do u think she stands in our situation? thanks. weve know/been dating about a week now, if that might have somethign to do with it? I dunno, its been a long ass time since i had to start dating again, just out of a 4 year relat. so I appreciate any help u can all provide.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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SoreLoser67

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i guess you could say about every other day over the past week, not all were major dates, persay...2 were just for lunch, one was dinner, and the other was the movie...
 

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I'm just guessing, but maybe she's getting bored.

Make yourself less available and see if that improves her IL.
 

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she could also be thinking that things are moving too fast. either way, chill out a bit and see what happens

b
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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alakazam

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But you're still always there every time she calls right?

Try to be a little less available.
 

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haha, yea...I see ur point. In this, the "less is more" saying comes into play, no? Ill see what I can to be unavalible to her, I guess I never thought about it that way. Kinda figured her calling Me was a goodthing?
 

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Her calling you is a good thing, but you answering the phone everytime she calls isnt.....
 

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I use to date this chick in college who I named ''mixed signals mary''

one night it seemed like she wanted me , the next night she was aloof. So finally after a month of being in limbo , i told her listen I like you and find you attractive if you like me kiss me now or im done with this relationship. she had a shock look on her face , said some girl wishy washy bs like, i dont know if i want to be more then friends, so i just told her to come here and kissed her.



I ended up dating her for 6 months before she turned in jealous psycho stalker girl.

but thats besides the point, the point is if your getting the mixed signals its your duty to take control and make it yay or nay, none of this not knowing limbo ****


take control.....grow a big penis
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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I mean we talked, and had fun...but she didnt hold my hand
This isn't a lot to go on but it seems to imply you were waiting for her to hold your hand. You mention that she has been doing most of the initiating as well.

She might feel that she has done most of the work and it is time for you to risk something.

I agree with most of the other posters that you should be a little less available. I also think that your first 4 dates occurring in the same week is a little too much.

Give her a little breathing room and when you do see her be the one to intitiate kino.

If I misinterpretted what is happening ignore my post and go with the others.

I ended up dating her for 6 months before she turned in jealous psycho stalker girl.
Funny how girls who start off weird often end up weird. :p
 

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yeah, its kinda hard to describe. but I think u all have your points that make sense, I myself was starting tho think that it might be a bit much too soon.

In response, I have been the one initiating the kino, well, pretty much all of it (shes never said anything bad about it, nor ever pulled away, or given me any reason to stop or anything...so i dunno.

I wasnt really waiting for her to take my hand, but she had her hands half in her pockets as we were walking (not like , "im uncomfortable, deep hand pockets, but just like someone would walkin down the street, casual style, make any sense?), and I sorta took that as a sign, maybe I was wrong?

and then there are those who have told me, **** man! maybe she was just having a shatty day. -OR- man, shes a girl...who know why they do anything? she already let u kiss her, and called u up for another date? u must have done something right, lol...this is what I get from all my friends. any substance to it? I was also suggested to just ask her exactly what she wants from our situation, but I dont know if its a good idea to ask a girl that, u know?
 

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When a girl 'Hugs' you and you're just getting to know her - it means friend. This should be in the '********' dictionary.

To be honest, don't think you're going to get that far with this one. I'm betting you initiated the kiss after the hug.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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there's been 4 dates!

by the 2nd date she's already decided if she'll sleep with you. on top of that you've had 3rd and 4th dates. .. what other signals do you need bud? if she didnt like you, there would BE NO 2nd, 3rd, 4th date!

the ball is in your court - it's up to you to make things happen.

be a man! take charge!
 

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Originally posted by SoreLoser67
I have started seeing this new girl. Shes pretty, funny, and well educated. We have gone on about 4 dates thus far, the first two I was more into trying to get to know more about her, and have some good conversations. On our third date, we went and saw a movie..I held her hand, and she seemed to respond well to it, after the movie, she gave me a hug , and I gave her a nice kiss goodnight (being our first), she didnt mind that, and it went really well we both left smiling. Today we hung out again, but there seemed to be nothing, I mean we talked, and had fun...but she didnt hold my hand, and nothing really progressed along as I thought it would have since the previous date. she seems to sort of be holding back, in a way. Im just not too sure where she stands in our situation, Im not sure I wanna ask...cause that might seem weird. should I say something? or just let things go on as usual? where do u think she stands in our situation? thanks. weve know/been dating about a week now, if that might have somethign to do with it? I dunno, its been a long ass time since i had to start dating again, just out of a 4 year relat. so I appreciate any help u can all provide.


From what I've read I would have to agree with the other guys. If want this girl you better start spicing up the relationship between you two. How would I do that? you may be wondering...Well for me when I like someone there's this automatic electricity I feel everytime I'm around them--So just think about how much you like her and automatically you will come off as more exciting.


BE ENTUSIASTIC!
 

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wow...i have gotten responses from every end of the spectrum. I thank you all for your advice, lol...but I dont know which to go with. i believe that its still early, and that imma give her a few days to herself and then see whats up. ive just had a hard time doing anything exciting or spicing it up cause its so goddamn confusing in the way that I dont know how the heck she feels cause its so diverse.
 
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