Miami Heat vs. Detriot Pistons

[DJDamage]

Originally posted by The Bartender
You're just pissed cause there is no hockey

And I thought Detroit Pistons fans were only hostile on the court?!:trouble:

 

[The Bartender]

Originally posted by DJDamage
And I thought Detroit Pistons fans were only hostile on the court?!:trouble:

Cmon...we ARE from Detroit
:box:

 

[MindOverMatter]

I called it! Wade would find his niche, and come out strong next game. He did a hell of a job, good game.

 

[Oxide]

I am starting to gain some respect for Detroit...

However, Spurs are still the most boring thing to watch on tv... Suns vrs Heat would be amazing, but i feel Spurs will take it and If heat shows up... well you never know..

One thing for sure, Heat beats Pistons they will accomplish something great.

 

[Bling]

Nice game, Wade!
Come on, the Heat aren't the Suns... I didn't know why people were calling our dismantle.


Unfortunately, we need to win a game in Detriot now. Hopefully we can win the game on Sunday, and gain the momentum back.

 

[MindOverMatter]

Suns are overrated. The only reason they made it this far is because teams in the west (other then spurs/sonics) were horrible this season.

Suns have no defensive skills, they never get rebounds and their whole game revolves around outscoring opponents. Vs teams with weak defense such as Mavs and Grizzlies, that works because no one can run like the Suns.

Spurs on the other hand have had the best defense in the league this year, giving up the least amount of points. They control the pace of the game with Suns, and slow the Suns down. They capitalize on every play, collect mad offensive rebounds. There is no way Suns basketball can compete against this type of ballplay. They won 2 games in the regular season, but this is the playoffs.

Also, as soon as Steve Nash sits down to rest, Suns lose their lead. They cannot keep their pace without the guy.

Spurs, Pistons, Heat...ALL have defense that can stop the Suns. If for some reason Suns manage to beat the Spurs (i.e. tim duncan injury), winner of heat/pistons will beat them easily.

As for heat, if Wade keeps playing like this, they have a very good chance of beating the Pistons. I'd love to see a Heat/Spurs match up, Shaq hasn't seen Duncan in a long long while.

 

[Bonhomme]

The main reason the heat won game 2

The main reason the Heat won game 2 is a big coaching blunder on the part of Larry Brown. Who is a great coach, mind you, but has one big Achilles heel, in that he sits players down for "foul trouble" way, way, way too long.

If I recall correctly, the Pistons were ahead by 3, or something like that, when he sat down Tayshaun Prince (who had contained Wade up to that point), and Rasheed Wallace for just about the entire 2nd period, even though they had only 2 fouls each.

I was amazed he didn't put them back in when they got down by about 6 or 7. They found themsevles down by 11 at the half, and burnt themselves out playing catch-up in the third. By the end of the game, they were so beat most of their shots were clanking off the front of the rim.

Not taking anything from Wade. He played a hell of a game, and was a man on a mission. But, aside from the last minute, when the Pistons were playing strategically desperate ball, they were about +10 with Sheed and Tay in there.

 

[Oxide]

Few disagreements.


MOM (mindovermatter) - haha, MOM, Anyway. Spurs score 43 freaking points in 4th quarter... that is not good defense, that is insanely lucky offense. My money is on the Spurs becuase they seem to get points easier... where suns cant do sh1t without fastbreaks and nash's midrange game.'

Spurs are not playing their regular game.. i remember the announcer say "Spurs are playing Sun's game, and doing a better job!"



Bonhomme, didnt Prince have 3 when he sat down? I was surprised to see Sheed sitting down in the 4th however they way he started clanking 3s wasnt too impressive

I used to loathe Pistons, now watching how quick those guys are i am gaining more and more respect... honestly it is scary that everyone except Ben can hustle 1vs1 and get a good shot... Prince is quick for being so tall... Rip is amazing at mid range.. Billups is nuts.

I dont know about that desperate ball you are talking about... 7 fukking three pointers in a row! that is either crazy or Sonics playing

 

[MindOverMatter]

MOM (mindovermatter) - haha, MOM, Anyway. Spurs score 43 freaking points in 4th quarter... that is not good defense, that is insanely lucky offense. My money is on the Spurs becuase they seem to get points easier... where suns cant do sh1t without fastbreaks and nash's midrange game.'

Spurs are not playing their regular game.. i remember the announcer say "Spurs are playing Sun's game, and doing a better job!"

I disagree. The reason Spurs scored so many points is not because they're a better offensive team (but their offense is amazing) but rather by the fact that Suns have NO defense. under those conditions, it's easy to score this many points.

They have no way of stopping Parker / Ginobili from getting to the net and scoring easy layups. Spurs have no problems finding openings in Suns defense.

Suns on the other hand can't do the same. Parker is dominating Nash. Nash had *3* assists in game 3 man. 3! I'd say Parker is by far the mvp of this series. He's been hounding Nash for every second of the game, never giving him an easy inch of space. Marion, who was an exceptional scorer vs Dallas was shut down by the Spurs. Unlike Spurs, Suns have an impossible time getting to the net. Spurs are still playing their defensive game, I mean come on in game 3 Suns had 36 pts at half.

To me, Spurs are still playing the same ballgame. It does look as if they're playing amazin offense, but that's only because Suns have nothing in the defensive department.

I can't wait till Spurs/Pistons or Spurs/Heat. Both of those match ups will be amazing. With Pistons, I get to see how two similar teams measure up against each other and which team has better defense. With Spurs/Heat, I get to see a Shaq/Duncan championship reunion. Either way, those games will be badass!

 

[Bonhomme]

Regarding "desperate ball", I was referring to the last minute of the game, when they had run out of time outs, and engaged in a foul-fest, which was what they had to do (although it always makes sense to really go for the steal) once they got down 4, but ended up having them lose by 6, rather than by 2.

Even if Tay had 3 fouls, it's still better to stop the bleeding when you're getting whupped. Rule #1 is not to keep doing what isn't working. How many fouls did those guys end up with, anyway? 4? Better to stay in the game, and if they foul out, they foul out. I guarantee they wouldn't have fouled out with a full quarter remaining, which was how long Brown effectively fouled them out.

It's like failing to approach a gal for fear of rejection. You're guaranteeing the same result as a rejection yourself. Not smart.

Anyhow, we'll see what happens in game 3. They'll adjust to Wade.

And yes, the Pistaons are definitely underrated as an offensive team, but tend to be very hot & cold.

 

[Oxide]

I agree completely, Spurs are not a better offensive team. Suns are not playing defense and it shows... That is why Nash keeps shooting midrange, he doesnt have anywhere to pass.. it is like when he gets the ball at the top of the key the suns stand around the perimeter looking at what he'll do. No movement..no cuts. Everything you said is dead on.



You never know what happens man, but i agree that in desparate situation you should not sit your man down untill he gets that 5th foul. (unless it is last 4-5 mins)

If Shaq picks up his game, adjusting to Wade wont help much. Game 2 was Wade carrying with Zo helping, Shaq didnt seem to do much. If he starts giving it 100% im seeing 2-1 heat (unless pistons go on a hot streak)

 

[Bling]

Pistons looking pretty overrated right now.

 

[Bling]

Originally posted by The Bartender
Detroit will take it in 5.

Can't happen now. You guys have to go 6 games...but I can pretty much gurantee you guys will have to go 7 if you want to beat us.

 

[MindOverMatter]

Was a good game. Pistons got upset over officiating and self-destructed, Heat took advantage of it. Next game, you'll see a totally different Detroit team.

 

[Bonhomme]

Miami's series to lose

It looks like Miami's figured out how to beat the Pistons' D. They were hitting like mad except for a few short dry spells. Gotta give 'em credit for getting off their asses and playing good, tough, hustling ball.

Miami just looks like the better team, but not by much.

They must have been lulled to sleep by too little competition in the first 2 rounds. The contrast of playing a real contender shell-shocked them in game 1. Now they've adjusted.

But the Pistons have been down before. Indiana had 'em down 2-1, but Detroit won 3 straight, and took it in 6. That ain't gonna happen this time. The Heat ain't the Artest-less Pacers.

The home advantage ain't an issue at all. The Pistons played their best game at Miami, and Miami played their best game at Auburn Hills.

Detroit has to stop losing their sh1t about the officiating, and get down to business. MOM was right on about that one.

And they can't afford any of their lapses in game 4, or they're gonna be watching the Heat play the Spurs.

 

[Bling]

Originally posted by MindOverMatter
Was a good game. Pistons got upset over officiating and self-destructed, Heat took advantage of it. Next game, you'll see a totally different Detroit team.

I thought that was happening yesterday. They need this one....but don't expect to get an easy game. If you ask me, I think Wade and Shaq totally explode or implode game 4. If they put up mad points, it's bye-bye Detriot.

 

[Bling]

2-2

 

[Bonhomme]

Dogfight

Wow, this one's a real dogfight. Bets are off for game 5, though I'd say there's a bit more pressure on the Heat. Detroit's record as a "finisher" is spotless in the last 3 or so years. Miami will be playing with high intensity, you can bet on that.

Detroit's defensive adjustments worked: putting Hamilton on Wade, and rotating him out every now & then, with Hunter picking up. Wade was too fast for Prince; Rip & Hunter can keep up better. Wade had to play a helluva game to get what he got, because he didn't have a single easy shot from the set offense. He made some great shots under strong defensive pressure.

2nd stringer Eldon Campbell defended Shaq better than any other Piston, too. He's the only one with the size to do the job. Expect the Pistons to rotate him in a lot, and rest Ben and Sheed.

It will be interesting to see how the Heat adjusts to this. Wade is going to have play one hell of a game, and they somehow have to draw the attention off him. A big game from the supporting cast is essential.

This one can be very interesting, unless the Pistons have one of their lapses, and the Heat blows them away.

 

[The Bartender]

Did anyone else notice that the Pistons DOMINATED the heat last game? Get ready for that again :rockon:

 

[Bling]

Originally posted by The Bartender
Did anyone else notice that the Pistons DOMINATED the heat last game? Get ready for that again :rockon:

Wow. The biggest domination of the whole series took place today...but for the Heat.