MGTOW is the only way to go

[corrector]

Being we’re on the topic, perhaps someone can answer this question. Why do MGTOW’s continue to ***** and moan about women if they are supposedly going their own way? I mean, if I wanted to remove myself from certain people or things, I’d disassociate and wouldn’t want to even think of them.

If they are on their own way, shouldn’t they be relieved of having to deal with women?

But MTGOWs are dealing with women. In fact, most players are MTGOWS since they are not engaging in LTR/marriage with women. Other MGTOWS might escortmaxx. If you are escortmaxxing (ie especially if it's legal, or it's conducted in a discreet way that bends but doesn't break the law), you are also not "dealing with women" (ie the drama, uncertainty and legal risks, etc...)

So, I think there are allot of happy camper red-pill MGTOWers on here (ie I guess we all know who are the player posters on here by now), happy-camper escortmaxxers like @MatureDJ and @GoodMan32, that really sound happy and don't care.

Even if someone who doesn't want to deal with women physically, you still have OnlyFans and porn and then you can relieve yourself.

Also, in public you'll have to deal with women one way or another. The casier taking out your groceries might be a woman. That attendant taking your train ticket might be a woman. There are women everywhere, so nobody can say such an thing can exist of "being relieved to deal with women" unless you are in some island that is uninhabited somewhere with no internet.

 

[Manure Spherian]

But MTGOWs are dealing with women. In fact, most players are MTGOWS since they are not engaging in LTR/marriage with women.

Perhaps my understanding of MGTOW is flawed. Players are constantly jammed up in dealing with women—looking for women, flirting with women, spending time with women, texting and calling women. So I do not see how they are on their own way.

Also, in public you'll have to deal with women one way or another. The casier taking out your groceries might be a woman. That attendant taking your train ticket might be a woman. There are women everywhere, so nobody can say such an thing can exist of "being relieved to deal with women" unless you are in some island that is uninhabited somewhere with no internet.

I was referring to sexual and romantic relations. Again, perhaps my understanding is flawed.

Why do some of the most influential MGTOW’s ***** about women? If they have disassociated (and I’m not talking ordering a Starbucks coffee from one), why not be happy?

 

[Manure Spherian]

Here is Sandman, a MGTOW patron saint with some recent whining. Granted what he says is true, but I don’t consider him an actual man who has gone his own way.

 

[corrector]

Perhaps my understanding of MGTOW is flawed. Players are constantly jammed up in dealing with women—looking for women, flirting with women, spending time with women, texting and calling women. So I do not see how they are on their own way.

But they don't trust them. They don't build families with them. They don't have LTRs and stay monogamous or get into a marriage.
Therefore, they are limiting their legal risks (ie as inherent in marriages). Just the same you can have successful guys with women who are also blackpilled. (ie you could be in a beneficial position and then come to the conclusion that there are no good women around to settle down with, they just like you because of your genetically gifted looks but then you'll be yesterdays' news if were to lose those looks, or maybe you see how these women treat OTHER guys and can't take her seriously, etc...). There might be a number of chad/chadlite player type guys that see all women are the same in one way or another and are just good for one thing only and if you go further than that then you start losing. So, yes, they are going their own way since you can't build a society based on hordes of single mom's, single alpha-widows and cat-ladies and they are contributing to a down-fall by damaging up women so they are unmarriable or unsuitable for a relationship. That is just as bad or worst than unsuccesful guys just giving up and getting other dopamine fixes apart from women.

I was referring to sexual and romantic relations. Again, perhaps my understanding is flawed.

A player can't really have a romantic relationship though. At best, if it's a manipulation tool in order to get sex, they might lie about their intentions, but it's not likely they aren't interested in anything further than sex and getting another notch point. They may even trick themselves into thinking they want romance, but once they bag the girl, they are already sick of her and want to move to someone else.

 

[corrector]

Incels wouldn't be incels if they'd have sex and they're not going to pay for sex when 'Chad' gets sex 'for free'.

Isn't that like saying that you don't want to buy food and rather starve because people are getting food for free at a food bank though?

Sometimes you make some of the most bizzare statements.

 

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[corrector]

A) Nonsensical comparison between living on food stamps and involuntary sexlessness.
B) Statement isn't mine, it is an incel statement that they don't go to prostitutes because they don't want to pay for what 'Chads' get for free.

a) It sounds nonsensical because the statement sounded nonsencial with me. If your choice is either to starve or not then you don't care who is getting what for free. The issue with being an incel is you don't have (in my case, marriage based) sex in the first place, not who is paying for what, etc...

b) I have occasionally visited incel boards and I can say that there are probably allot of various views towards the subject or using a prostitute. Most people on those board tend to complain when their escorts increase their price on them, which means, obviously some incels on those boards are using them. Other incels say that using a sex worker changed their life for the best. They perform better on their job and make extra money because they know they are getting sex from that at the end of the day. Taking one incel statement on a board and making a case is like using my name and post and saying I represent the sosuave players on here.

 

[TheGrindEqualsHappiness]

This is kind of interesting, but also really typical behavior for humans.It's easier and more rewarding to wallow in your self pity than actually do anything to improve your own situation.
Oh, let me correct, only more rewarding thing than wallowing in your own self pity is to do it together like a tribe.

Mgtow clowns are right in a sense, that yes we do live in femicentered culture.

But you are not statistics. You are N=0.
Its true that average woman is much more entitled in this culture than average afc.
You should think it the other way. Only thing between current you and experienced PUA is practise and experience.

In this world full of AFCs the
experienced pua with good game is so much more ahead of average chick that it's not even funny.

 

[Manure Spherian]

experienced pua with good game is so much more ahead of average chick that it's not even funny.

In what ways?

 

[Isildur1]

Everything is tricky in life, it took me roughly 400 approaches before I met my girlfriend but it was worth the struggle. Approaching and meeting people I learnt a huge amount in regards to human psychology and relationships Im pretty grateful for the experiences no matter how good or bad they were a long the way.

Yes MGTOW might come from reactions that certain men have had negative experiences from women and I don't doubt this for a second. But giving up at something just because its hard then can't the same excuse be used at anything that's hard?

 

[Isildur1]

As a side-discussion here (won't be making a thread about it), WW did mention an interesting point in his video and that is a comination of Dopamine and Relaxation options APART from dating are reducing the incentive for guys (ie especially like myself) to want to go out to date women.

If I were to a point of time in the early 10s decade and contrast that with 2023, I've noticed the following Dopamine options I have now, that I didn't have say in 2015 (ie as a random year)

1) I own a Tablet since 2017. The Tablet is used extensively in bed, when I'm on the job at lunch/breaks, when I'm on the train to and from work, when I'm riding as a passanger in the car or when I'm in the Gym. Ever since using a Tablet, (ie which represents having literally a "TV in your pocket", has lead to an increase dopamine release. A Tablet was purchased in 2017.

2) I own a VR-headset since 2021. This is used more occasionally. However, using it can mimic going to the cinema, or viewing 360 degree videos which gives a great feeling of escape and being in another world.

3) I've also owned a TV since 2017, and a projector since 2019.

4 ) OnlyFans / porn are also dopamine sources, ease of setting up a encounter with an escort, etc....

Therefore, what I'm driving at, is there is allot more and better dopamine options compared to 2015 or earlier. While one can argue that they always had the cinema, and if someone wanted to watch a large screen presentation they can always visit a movie theater. However, it's not quite the same thing. In a cinema, most of what you will see are couples and women and you'll feel funny if you are going by yourself, plus its inconvenient to go there. If you can do everything at home and get the same dopamine hit, and not have to even worry about social dynamics that would make you feel funny going by yourself, then that's a great dopamine yield.

Compare this with anything to do with women? First, already worried about rejection from the gate or nobody will take you on and already know I'm low in the look-scale. Women are not fun to deal with compared to these other options if you were comparing dopamine to dopamine (ie unless you are fapping to images/videos of them).

Now, if we were to compare this to the 1960s.

There are no real other dopamine options apart from dealing with women. Otherwise, what would you do? Sit at home and read a book / comic book and twittle your thumbs. There is something crazy about the tech of the modern world because it's like a dopamine flood compared to low dopamine yields with other activities in the 60s.

very interesting point

 

[SW15]

PUA, seduction, and red pill is a superior path in life to MGTOW.

 

[MatureDJ]

Here is Sandman, a MGTOW patron saint with some recent whining. Granted what he says is true, but I don’t consider him an actual man who has gone his own way.

I quit listening to Sandman, as his elocution is nauseating.

 

[TheGrindEqualsHappiness]

In what ways?

From simply power in relationship perspective.
On the other hand those guys never go full dark triad on chicks, even though the capability would be there, because universally they like women.
The mgtow bitterness and resentment is missing.

 

[MatureDJ]

PUA, seduction, and red pill is a superior path in life to MGTOW.

*Successful* PUA, seduction, and red pill is a superior path in life to MGTOW.

 

[MatureDJ]

Everything is tricky in life, it took me roughly 400 approaches before I met my girlfriend but it was worth the struggle. Approaching and meeting people I learnt a huge amount in regards to human psychology and relationships Im pretty grateful for the experiences no matter how good or bad they were a long the way.

Yes MGTOW might come from reactions that certain men have had negative experiences from women and I don't doubt this for a second. But giving up at something just because its hard then can't the same excuse be used at anything that's hard?

Was your girlfriend one of the least attractive chicks that you tried to mack?

 

[SW15]

*Successful* PUA, seduction, and red pill is a superior path in life to MGTOW.

Unsuccessful PUA and seduction is not good.

 

[corrector]

PUA, seduction, and red pill is a superior path in life to MGTOW.

They are all the same thing unless it's monk-mode and/or escortmaxxing.

 

[corrector]

Unsuccessful PUA and seduction is not good.

As it is with 90%+ of guys.

 

[corrector]

Everything is tricky in life, it took me roughly 400 approaches before I met my girlfriend but it was worth the struggle. Approaching and meeting people I learnt a huge amount in regards to human psychology and relationships Im pretty grateful for the experiences no matter how good or bad they were a long the way.

Yes MGTOW might come from reactions that certain men have had negative experiences from women and I don't doubt this for a second. But giving up at something just because its hard then can't the same excuse be used at anything that's hard?

That makes sense, I'm not officially MGTOW but it appears that I have given up with any form of online dating. You haven't used online dating to meet your girlfriend, so it doesn't matter that you don't use that. Why did you choose cold-approaching then, compared to online dating?