"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Met a real nice girl... to DJ or not to DJ, that is the question!

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I'm 25. Met a nice girl who's 22. Independent, makes her own money, lives on her own (with a roomate), smart, sexy, and good hearted. Comes from a good family, was raised "very" Christian although she herself views it more traditionally now and not so orthodox. She's no bible banger, thank god!

I like this girl. We always have a great tine when out. Been seing her for a month or so, haven't had sex or anything (yet) but we do get hot and heavy time to time.

Regardless, I find myself in conflict with the ways of DJing and being somewhat genuine. I find myself keeping myself in check so I don't go overboard with this girl and come on too weak or chumpish.

So what do you guys do when you meet a girl that you actually like and she actually likes you? How do you balance using DJ tactics/mindset while at the same time being "genuine".

It's hard to explain, but hopefully you guys get what I'm trying to say.

And also, any tips from your experiences on how to keep momentum going?

Thanks all. Great site.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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To me there is no difference. You need to be a MAN, lead, and make a move. If she actually likes you, then she will follow.

So keep inviting her on dates and keep making moves. Remember the 2 strikes rules.
 

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samspade said:
DJ skills, game, etc. may not seem genuine to you yet, but that's because it's counterintuitive. Playing an F chord on the guitar feels weird at first, too, but do you think Eric Clapton thinks about that anymore?
I agree with you, and it's a nice analogy. But I do think there ARE some elements of game that can be kind of fake. I can give some examples if you need them, but I don't want to sidetrack the point.

I could be wrong, but it sounds like Papo is saying he'd like to try a relationship with this girl. Of course he's young, and it's early, but she sounds like a nice girl and I don't really have a problem with it if that's what he wants. I say this because I know most regulars will come on here and skin him alive for getting caught up with one girl when they haven't even had sex yet. But I think there are things a young guy can learn from being in a relationship. Just don't get carried away and get married or something crazy. Spin some plates, try dating one girl for awhile, try everything, it's all a learning experience.

I think it's okay to be more genuine with someone you care about, as long as you're not coming off weak and chumpish, and realize what can happen. Sounds like the OP is aware of at least some of the pitfalls, so that's good.

Just remember Papo, make the girl have the relationship talk with you, don't bring it up yourself.
 

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zekko said:
I agree with you, and it's a nice analogy. But I do think there ARE some elements of game that can be kind of fake. I can give some examples if you need them, but I don't want to sidetrack the point.

I could be wrong, but it sounds like Papo is saying he'd like to try a relationship with this girl. Of course he's young, and it's early, but she sounds like a nice girl and I don't really have a problem with it if that's what he wants. I say this because I know most regulars will come on here and skin him alive for getting caught up with one girl when they haven't even had sex yet. But I think there are things a young guy can learn from being in a relationship. Just don't get carried away and get married or something crazy. Spin some plates, try dating one girl for awhile, try everything, it's all a learning experience.

I think it's okay to be more genuine with someone you care about, as long as you're not coming off weak and chumpish, and realize what can happen. Sounds like the OP is aware of at least some of the pitfalls, so that's good.

Just remember Papo, make the girl have the relationship talk with you, don't bring it up yourself.

Thanks man. I'm aware of the pitfalls believe me I've been through it all. I just like this girl, she seems genuine and I just gotta keep my DJ inner game yet somehow be real with her and not come off too distant.

It's a funny balance when you meet a genuine girl.
 

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The problem with being "genuine" is if through that you give her the idea that you care too much too soon, you stop being a challenge and she might lose interest.
Still, in general as long as you don´t come off as needy and show her that you have boundaries you should be ok.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Papo 12 said:
Thanks man. I'm aware of the pitfalls believe me I've been through it all. I just like this girl, she seems genuine and I just gotta keep my DJ inner game yet somehow be real with her and not come off too distant.

It's a funny balance when you meet a genuine girl.
It seems that you still host an inner belief that too much masculinity is negative and that you need to keep natural expressions of manly dominant behavior in check .
The problem is that you risk your connection with this girl coming to a halt because you are not pushing down on the gas
BY all means go slow, BUT keep moving the wagon forward.
 

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"So what do you guys do when you meet a girl that you actually like and she actually likes you?"

F*ck.

If not now, in a bit. I wouldn't wait a month.
 

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Don Juanism is a mindset, it's not mere tactics to score chicks.

It is a philosophy that is built on the premise that women and men are different. Ergo, you don't turn it on and off as you interact with different women. It is always on. It is not a set of dogmas, and there's always room for your personality. In short, be yourself! BUT watch your critical meters. Don't overlook flaky behavior, don't be abused and don't be oversensitive.

Not sure who's more whimsical these days .. men or women?
 

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Seems to be some misunderstanding here... you asked about DJ. That is a lifestyle-you are who you are,you are going somewhere in life,she can come along as long as she behaves;if she doesn't,she can be replaced tomorrow. You don't need a woman, you Want one[or not]. Sex is a big part of a relationship and a healthy measure of her interest in the relationship.

A PUA only CARES about sex....it's his measure of self worth as a man. He's being fake to "get some". Many times, has nothing else going on in his life. NOT conducive to a healthy relationship

Her being Christian is a good thing. IF it turns into a real relationship, it will keep her from running around on you[as much as anything can...hell they STONE adulteresses in Muslim countries,but they still cheat and get stoned to death]
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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dont make the mistake of being non dj just because you value her higher then other girls... it always ends bad
 
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