"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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coffeeandflowers

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Hey everyone. I'm new to this site and my situation prompted me to seek advice!

I'll try and keep it as read-able as possible.

Basically, i'd known this girl for about 5 years, we met on a night out. We used to text and stuff on and off. Then in the last couple of years it became more flirty. We then went out for a proper drink about a year and a half ago and we hit it off as per usual. She told me she was 'seeing someone'. I was completely cool with that. Anyway, a few more months down the line, it transpired that she had just broken up with her bf (of 2 years). They split up because he is a Sikh and she is a Muslim, and he basically chose is family over her.

A couple of months later we started to spend a lot of time together, we were literally inseperable, staying at each other's houses, it felt like we were a couple, though we weren't officially. In fact, she gave me the 'i'm not ready for a relationshio' chat as soon as we got together, she had been hurt, and i respected that. Everything was amazing, we couldn't get enough of each other.

Until one night she was out I heard that she'd been seen drunkenly snogging some fella. I confronted her, she was very apologetic, said she was v drunk etc etc. After a day or two i was over it, afterall we weren't officially 'exclusive' to each other.

However, not long after this, things went downhill fast, she barely seemed interested in spending any time with me and us doing anything together became hard work. When we did spend time together, it was still very couply, holding hands, kissing etc etc. Then it gets tricky, unbeknown to me, her ex was back on the scene, and she was spending alot of time with him, unsurprisingly, this coincided with me and her not spending much time together.

This carried on for a few months, and then we had a big chat, she told me how she was still heartbroken over her ex, and hated herself for not being able to make me hers. (They are only words i know). Then I began dating this other girl, though she was unaware. I went into a club with this girl, and the girl i we've been talking about was there, and she kicked off. Came on all strong, told me that I should have told her how i felt earlier, this night i ended up staying with her at her flat. She then saw a photo of me and this new girl from a night out, and sent me a text saying 'you two look cosy etc etc' i didn't reply, and she sid 'no reply? fine, i'll leave you to it, but if you're seeing her, i'd rather know'

A few more months later and she is the only girl on my mind. And here is where i made the biggest mistake, drunkenly I sent her a stupid text message telling her i was in love with her. She didn't reply, but text me the next day saying 'hey, u have a good night? x'

I recently asked her to come to my brother's wedding, and she did. She was on my arm all day and it was lovely. to me we felt like a couple again. Then as soon as we got back from the wedding, it's gone to being incredibly cold again.

Basically, I'd love your thoughts, and some advice on how to win her over again. Even after all this, I know she is the one for me.

Thanks
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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dont bother, she isnt into you, sorry but if she was, she would be making more of an effort.
give this one up, cut her out of your life.

Im serious, she isnt into you, you cant win her over, let it go
 

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She's tryin' to play you

She's an airhead

You are in love with her, idealize her, and will still be there after her doing whatever she wants.

Congrats.

You'd be fine if she was a legit girl you liked to hang with and didn't want her, but the fact you are trying to win her over...(gong rings) next.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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honestly dont try to get her back because she isnt into you. Betherman is right, any girl who want to be with you will make an effort to be with you under any circumstance. I had this issue and had to cut that girl out of my life. It tough, had to do No contact but honestly im feeling free and refreshed. If you want just go find other girls to get your mind off this one. Go out and have some fun too, forget about her! Keep busy man and the best of luck!
 

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coffeeandflowers said:
Was hoping for a more optimistic reply from someone!
Nobody is going to tell you what you want to hear on this forum. Get used to that.

You didn't assert yourself to what you wanted. You never took control of your 'relationship' with her. When she messed up, you didn't penalize her. Your attention was once valued to her, but attention is a currency. The more attention you gave her, the less it was worth. Simple supply and demand. Don't live to please a woman. You shouldn't be spending all of your time with a single woman, you should have other plates in your life such as work, aspirations, hobbies, friends and also different women.

She doesn't respect you because you were spineless and always placed her before yourself. Take care of yourself before you take care of a woman. Read the DJ Bible and read the forums.

The ball was always in her court, now it's time to cut her lose and start afresh - the ball is now in your court.
 

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Yeh, you're absolutely right. I let her have all the power in the relationship. Though when she betrayed my trust, I made her fully aware of how peed off i was.

You may think i'm looking at this through rose-tinted glasses, but i genuinely know she still likes me, as in fancies me and finds me attractive.

I just don't know how to re-establish myself in her life again. Any thoughts?
 

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Its a tough one.

You need to work on your game I think. Blueshift is 100% right, you need to take control and make her chase you.. make her validate and qualify herself to you because she's keeping you around for her own ego. Its obvious that as soon as she saw that you had other options, it affected her, not because she has high interest in you but because her safety harness was taken away.

If you don't game this chick hard and to the point she's worshipping you... she'll trash your heart in a couple of years when an alpha-jerk f*cks her the way she likes.
 

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I definitely need to work on my game. Have you got a specific game plan of what I need to do? I.e no contact, and what to do of she contacts me etc etc.

I really wanna make this work so if you have some specific do's and don'ts i should employ in getting her back onside and 'worshipping' me that would be great!

Cheers guys
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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This chick obviously wants her cake and eat it too. She's ****ing her ex and stringing you along. There are more women out there that don't have baggage like this.
 

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She's stringing you along and you know it. don't be that guy,have some self respect!!
 

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coffeeandflowers said:
I definitely need to work on my game. Have you got a specific game plan of what I need to do? I.e no contact, and what to do of she contacts me etc etc.

I really wanna make this work so if you have some specific do's and don'ts i should employ in getting her back onside and 'worshipping' me that would be great!

Cheers guys

Read the DJ bible...

And one for you ? My lord dude she is just one girl out of the many you will encounter in your life. You think shes the one... your 100% wrong. Your just being clingy to her now. Stop. Do not pass go. Do not collect your pvssy. DJ bible and forget about her man! SELF RESPECT
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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i appreciate the honesty fellas, i really do. But, as dillusional as you may think I am, the only things i want to know are how i can rectify this. I.e what systems and actions i can put in place to get her back onside again!
 

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coffeeandflowers said:
i appreciate the honesty fellas, i really do. But, as dillusional as you may think I am, the only things i want to know are how i can rectify this. I.e what systems and actions i can put in place to get her back onside again!
Look...

I'm no pro with the women. That's why I read this site. I have learned a ton and have started to make changes which are helping things to go the right way...MY way. I still have a long way to go but that's ok.

Do what the other guys said. Read the DJ Bible. Read the Book Of Pook. Continue to read posts on the message board. Educate yourself. if you do these things you will come to realize that rectifying the situation may not be possible...or even desirable! And you will actually be ok with that!

You will gain a level of confidence and self understanding that will make you say "Why the hell was I so worked up over this girl?".

Good luck.
 

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Echoes said:
Do what the other guys said. Read the DJ Bible. Read the Book Of Pook. Continue to read posts on the message board. Educate yourself. if you do these things you will come to realize that rectifying the situation may not be possible...or even desirable! And you will actually be ok with that!

You will gain a level of confidence and self understanding that will make you say "Why the hell was I so worked up over this girl?".
Good luck.
Echoes makes a very good point. You will learn everything you want to know after a few months on the website.

"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."
 

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BlueShift said:
Echoes makes a very good point. You will learn everything you want to know after a few months on the website.

"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."
Yep, be thankful you're here. Come with a clear mind and you will learn so much and you will see that the vast majority of things on here work and they are right. I stumbled across here as my "game" was slipping and it re-taught me everything i knew but just seemed to forget and slack on.

Since then i've had not one problem with females and I genuinely don't think i'll ever have one that i can't overcome easily again. Mistakes are made to learn from. Good luck.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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